The NCR Ending Is Canon

[Kilgore Trout]

I wouldn't mind a Fallout game set in Frisco. NCR could appear again, the Shi would appear- parts of it could show some heavily chinese influence. Hubologists could return for lolz. There are but two problems: First is, the area is pretty peaceful and civilized by now. It's not easy to write-in a new big threat and make it believable (and at the same time not making a 1:1 New Vegas copy) and second, have you seen how chinese people look in Bethesdas engine? lel...

I love the Shi. My favorite Courier backstory is a wandering tech scavenger and gambler who was raised by the Shi.

 

[Lexx]

I wouldn't mind a Fallout game set in Frisco. NCR could appear again, the Shi would appear- parts of it could show some heavily chinese influence. Hubologists could return for lolz. There are but two problems: First is, the area is pretty peaceful and civilized by now. It's not easy to write-in a new big threat and make it believable (and at the same time not making a 1:1 New Vegas copy) and second, have you seen how chinese people look in Bethesdas engine? lel...

Why you keep talking about SF or Sacramento, while Obsidian developer said already, that they want (if possible) to do game set in Los Angeles?
http://gamerant.com/fallout-new-vegas-2-obsidian/

What they say in the interview doesn't mean shit. Besides, this thing is 3 years old. Other than that, the Boneyard is NCR now. It still has rough edges, but is mainly pacified- at least as much as Frisco is.

 

[Languorous_Maiar]

I wouldn't mind a Fallout game set in Frisco. NCR could appear again, the Shi would appear- parts of it could show some heavily chinese influence. Hubologists could return for lolz. There are but two problems: First is, the area is pretty peaceful and civilized by now. It's not easy to write-in a new big threat and make it believable (and at the same time not making a 1:1 New Vegas copy) and second, have you seen how chinese people look in Bethesdas engine? lel...

Why you keep talking about SF or Sacramento, while Obsidian developer said already, that they want (if possible) to do game set in Los Angeles?
http://gamerant.com/fallout-new-vegas-2-obsidian/

What they say in the interview doesn't mean shit. Besides, this thing is 3 years old. Other than that, the Boneyard is NCR now. It still has rough edges, but is mainly pacified- at least as much as Frisco is.

The point is, that it isn't. Just look at FNV dialogues and FO2. Frisco is completely civilized by 2241 with Power Armours/cure for jet addiciton before it became widespread/Gauss rifles being sold by vendors while LA is still mainly radiated ruins.
A lot of radiation, gangs, probably rogue super mutants hiding there, ghouls too after Great Migration. On other hand, HQ of Followers, Gun Runners and Regulators + NCR, which is pumping more and more money there, what is kinda pointless.

Razz: "Ain't much to tell. Grew up out west, in the Boneyard. Heard of it? Yeah, not many people have. Wasn't really a good place for kids, you know?

Hanlon: "Most of the folks around the Boneyard haven't been to New Vegas and probably never will. All they know is that their money gets sucked away to this desert and their brothers, sisters, sons, and daughters die here."

Hanlon: "NCR's senate has got funds tied up at the Boneyard and"

 

[Walpknut]

I would love to see a Fallout game set in a civilized area. Would make better use of the Fallout 4 city assets than FO4 did. It would also break the mold of Bethesda's approach and overt focus on looting and shooting, you would need to be more nuanced with how you carry yourself around, it would have more focus on questing too, a city that big and with so many clashing groups would be the perfect breeding ground for interesting quests.

Also in that interview it's Urquhart talking, he is just the CEO, he isn't on the writting or design department so his ideas for NV2 boil down to "I want to get another contract from Bethesda, it's good business".

 

[Elaxter]

But then it wont have super mudents and radors to fite

 

[PossibleCabbage]

But then it wont have super mudents and radors to fite

In order to set a game in "civilized" lands like NCR territory, you would still need to have some sort of conflict that motivates the story. Whether it's social unrest, a civil war, an invasion, criminal gangs up to no good, or whatever you would have something to fight against. I doubt a video game set in peaceful territory in which everything is hunky dory and people go on about their lives would get signed off on for an AAA budget.

If they want to do a game set in the Boneyard, they probably have some notion of what the central conflict would be.

 

[Dr Fallout]

But then it wont have super mudents and radors to fite

In order to set a game in "civilized" lands like NCR territory, you would still need to have some sort of conflict that motivates the story. Whether it's social unrest, a civil war, an invasion, criminal gangs up to no good, or whatever you would have something to fight against. I doubt a video game set in peaceful territory in which everything is hunky dory and people go on about their lives would get signed off on for an AAA budget.

If they want to do a game set in the Boneyard, they probably have some notion of what the central conflict would be.

The Gun runners use the weakness of the NCR as an attempt to take over. They have the guns and men to do it.

 

[peadar87]

But then it wont have super mudents and radors to fite

In order to set a game in "civilized" lands like NCR territory, you would still need to have some sort of conflict that motivates the story. Whether it's social unrest, a civil war, an invasion, criminal gangs up to no good, or whatever you would have something to fight against. I doubt a video game set in peaceful territory in which everything is hunky dory and people go on about their lives would get signed off on for an AAA budget.

If they want to do a game set in the Boneyard, they probably have some notion of what the central conflict would be.

The Gun runners use the weakness of the NCR as an attempt to take over. They have the guns and men to do it.

Why? What would their motivation be?

 

[Dr Fallout]

But then it wont have super mudents and radors to fite

In order to set a game in "civilized" lands like NCR territory, you would still need to have some sort of conflict that motivates the story. Whether it's social unrest, a civil war, an invasion, criminal gangs up to no good, or whatever you would have something to fight against. I doubt a video game set in peaceful territory in which everything is hunky dory and people go on about their lives would get signed off on for an AAA budget.

If they want to do a game set in the Boneyard, they probably have some notion of what the central conflict would be.

The Gun runners use the weakness of the NCR as an attempt to take over. They have the guns and men to do it.

Why? What would their motivation be?

Easy, to increase their power and possible market base. As a separate country they could sell guns to anyone, no matter who is enemies to who. Because in NV they can't sell their gear to the legion or the various raiders because they're enemies to the Strip and NCR.

 

[peadar87]

But then it wont have super mudents and radors to fite

In order to set a game in "civilized" lands like NCR territory, you would still need to have some sort of conflict that motivates the story. Whether it's social unrest, a civil war, an invasion, criminal gangs up to no good, or whatever you would have something to fight against. I doubt a video game set in peaceful territory in which everything is hunky dory and people go on about their lives would get signed off on for an AAA budget.

If they want to do a game set in the Boneyard, they probably have some notion of what the central conflict would be.

The Gun runners use the weakness of the NCR as an attempt to take over. They have the guns and men to do it.

Why? What would their motivation be?

Easy, to increase their power and possible market base. As a separate country they could sell guns to anyone, no matter who is enemies to who. Because in NV they can't sell their gear to the legion or the various raiders because they're enemies to the Strip and NCR.

Getting into a full-scale war against the armed forces of the NCR would be a stupid business decision. If the Gun Runners took over the NCR by force, it would still make no sense to sell weapons to the Legion or raiders, who would still be determined to conquer their territory, or steal their stuff, respectively. Plus they would then have to manage the state. Keep the roads clear, keep trade, water and power flowing, organise defence of the borders.

If all they want is to sell a few guns to tribals or raiders, they should do it under the radar, or buy off a senator or two, not declare war on their own country, in which they already have a highly lucrative market. Even the van Graffs aren't that crazy.

 

[Dr Fallout]

But then it wont have super mudents and radors to fite

In order to set a game in "civilized" lands like NCR territory, you would still need to have some sort of conflict that motivates the story. Whether it's social unrest, a civil war, an invasion, criminal gangs up to no good, or whatever you would have something to fight against. I doubt a video game set in peaceful territory in which everything is hunky dory and people go on about their lives would get signed off on for an AAA budget.

If they want to do a game set in the Boneyard, they probably have some notion of what the central conflict would be.

The Gun runners use the weakness of the NCR as an attempt to take over. They have the guns and men to do it.

Why? What would their motivation be?

Easy, to increase their power and possible market base. As a separate country they could sell guns to anyone, no matter who is enemies to who. Because in NV they can't sell their gear to the legion or the various raiders because they're enemies to the Strip and NCR.

Getting into a full-scale war against the armed forces of the NCR would be a stupid business decision. If the Gun Runners took over the NCR by force, it would still make no sense to sell weapons to the Legion or raiders, who would still be determined to conquer their territory, or steal their stuff, respectively. Plus they would then have to manage the state. Keep the roads clear, keep trade, water and power flowing, organise defence of the borders.

If all they want is to sell a few guns to tribals or raiders, they should do it under the radar, or buy off a senator or two, not declare war on their own country, in which they already have a highly lucrative market. Even the van Graffs aren't that crazy.

I don't mean straight out war, but remember, the NCR is collapsing. Why not sell it to various rebel and gangster groups to quicken their demise. It's not like the NCR is in ANY position to fight the Gun Runners and the Legion. Not all raiders are like the fiends, many like the Powder Gangers and Khans are quite willing to do business, and so are the legion. Caesar isn't an idiot. He can and will reign in his men if fighting means losing business and causing lots of damage to his own force. Yes and? Just because they sell guns doesn't mean they can't control a small state. It's not impossible. You don't have to have a grade A leader diploma or a country runner to run a country. Remember the Gun runners won't need to make a conventional state like the NCR.

Declaring war and possibly destroying the NCR opens up the market for various groups starting out, instead of being limited to one mega state that can force down the prices because they can threaten the GR. With the legion on the horizon and the NCR falling apart, they can move to the public and take up a monopoly of gun making, also regulating the prizes as no one can threaten them. That's a great deal.

 

[Walpknut]

The NCR isn't collapsing, it's going through hardships because of the expansionist campaign of Kimball and Oliver but if it was collapsing they wouldn't be able to afford the campaign in the first place, also if the NCR ending is canon then it pretty much is very far from collapsing, what with the newly acquired Dam, potentially aerial support (Boomer ending states that they started trading directly with them and the gun runners), Securitrons and such.

They could easily work in a Noir style story with Government conspiracies, cults, political intrigue, serial killers, underground mob operations and the like. San Fran had those even before becoming NCR, if they forego the needless Sandbox set up they could work with a hub system and have some of the more interesting NCR cities. Not every Falloutgame now has to be a civil war, that's the kind of thing Bethesda does, just repeat the same premise ad nauseum.

At this point I am just sharing my pipe dream...

 

[Mishmash]

Maybe Gun runners want to take it over because ncr senate approved gun control laws. it's plausible,if new california is now a civilized place ncr can say that their troops are enough to protect california's people,and also think that the gun runners are nocive to society. Same for crimson caravan (from fallout wikia):This success has not been earned entirely legally, as expected. While it does compete commercially (such as for the trooper armor contract, which the Far Go Traders are eager to take away from them), it isn't below hiring mercenaries to increase their advantage, for example, by stealing the competitor's trade secrets (e.g. the Gun Runners), price dumping (e.g. New Canaan Mormon caravans) or even outright attacking their caravans and killing their staff (e.g. the alliance with the Van Graffs). ncr maybe tried to something to regolize control the market.
I'd like to see a fallout game about merchant houses vs ncr government

 

[PossibleCabbage]

They could easily work in a Noir style story with Government conspiracies, cults, political intrigue, serial killers, underground mob operations and the like. San Fran had those even before becoming NCR, if they forego the needless Sandbox set up they could work with a hub system and have some of the more interesting NCR cities. Not every Falloutgame now has to be a civil war, that's the kind of thing Bethesda does, just repeat the same premise ad nauseum.

Probably the best way to structure a game in a civilized NCR is to introduce one or more new external factors and simply have different factions within the NCR disagree about how to deal with them/take advantage of them.

 

[Atomic Postman]

I would love to see a Fallout game set in a civilized area. Would make better use of the Fallout 4 city assets than FO4 did. It would also break the mold of Bethesda's approach and overt focus on looting and shooting, you would need to be more nuanced with how you carry yourself around, it would have more focus on questing too, a city that big and with so many clashing groups would be the perfect breeding ground for interesting quests.

Also in that interview it's Urquhart talking, he is just the CEO, he isn't on the writting or design department so his ideas for NV2 boil down to "I want to get another contract from Bethesda, it's good business".

I'll be honest with you, that sounds very boring and not at all what I want from a Fallout game. I side with Chris Avellone on the fact that Fallout is getting too civilized, and there needs to be a careful balance between civilization and total destruction. I'm getting the feeling that this is an unpopular opinion here on NMA, as it sounds dangerously close to Bethesda's mindset, and we wouldn't want that.

 

[Walpknut]

Why would it be boring? is the structure of the older games but taking advantage of the new technology.
Fallout only became about exploring ruins when Bethesda took over, before that we were always going from city to city getting into the local going ons and getting tangled up with them.

 

[Atomic Postman]

If it was isometric, sure. It wouldn't be that boring. However, a 3D Fallout needs to have it's share of dungeon diving. New Vegas got the balance of civilization vs blasted out ruins correct.

Besides, Fallout is a post-nuclear game. There has to be a point where you keep it as a largely lawless Wasteland (Hence why we're at the tip of the NCR in Fallout 2) filled with bloodthristy mutants and savage tribals. It's what makes the setting fun.

 

[peadar87]

But then it wont have super mudents and radors to fite

In order to set a game in "civilized" lands like NCR territory, you would still need to have some sort of conflict that motivates the story. Whether it's social unrest, a civil war, an invasion, criminal gangs up to no good, or whatever you would have something to fight against. I doubt a video game set in peaceful territory in which everything is hunky dory and people go on about their lives would get signed off on for an AAA budget.

If they want to do a game set in the Boneyard, they probably have some notion of what the central conflict would be.

The Gun runners use the weakness of the NCR as an attempt to take over. They have the guns and men to do it.

Why? What would their motivation be?

Easy, to increase their power and possible market base. As a separate country they could sell guns to anyone, no matter who is enemies to who. Because in NV they can't sell their gear to the legion or the various raiders because they're enemies to the Strip and NCR.

Getting into a full-scale war against the armed forces of the NCR would be a stupid business decision. If the Gun Runners took over the NCR by force, it would still make no sense to sell weapons to the Legion or raiders, who would still be determined to conquer their territory, or steal their stuff, respectively. Plus they would then have to manage the state. Keep the roads clear, keep trade, water and power flowing, organise defence of the borders.

If all they want is to sell a few guns to tribals or raiders, they should do it under the radar, or buy off a senator or two, not declare war on their own country, in which they already have a highly lucrative market. Even the van Graffs aren't that crazy.

I don't mean straight out war, but remember, the NCR is collapsing. Why not sell it to various rebel and gangster groups to quicken their demise. It's not like the NCR is in ANY position to fight the Gun Runners and the Legion. Not all raiders are like the fiends, many like the Powder Gangers and Khans are quite willing to do business, and so are the legion. Caesar isn't an idiot. He can and will reign in his men if fighting means losing business and causing lots of damage to his own force. Yes and? Just because they sell guns doesn't mean they can't control a small state. It's not impossible. You don't have to have a grade A leader diploma or a country runner to run a country. Remember the Gun runners won't need to make a conventional state like the NCR.

Declaring war and possibly destroying the NCR opens up the market for various groups starting out, instead of being limited to one mega state that can force down the prices because they can threaten the GR. With the legion on the horizon and the NCR falling apart, they can move to the public and take up a monopoly of gun making, also regulating the prizes as no one can threaten them. That's a great deal.

As Walpknut said, the NCR isn't collapsing. Its problems are far from insurmountable.

The gun runners are an arms manufacturing company. They rely on the infrastructure of the state to survive and thrive. Supply chain, raw materials, educated labour, prosperous markets, a pretty much exclusive contract with the NCR military. What can tribals and raiders offer that would make it worth destroying the NCR for? A few caps? Some animal skins?

Caesar is an idealogue. He is not a businessman. The Legion do not appear to trade with outsiders. They are not concerned with doing business or making money, they are concerned with conquest. They are losing men to the NCR, and they certainly aren't doing business with them. They have already been beaten at Hoover Dam once. Not even an attempt at peace. I can hardly see that changing if the NCR was replaced with the Gun Runners.

In any case, I can't imagine the gun runners are in any position to take on the NCR army in a fight. They may have lots of guns and money, but in terms of numbers, they are going to be tiny. Private security guarding their factories, caravan guards to escort shipments in hostile territory. They don't even have the numbers to keep energy weapons safe from the van Graffs.

 

[Dr Fallout]

But then it wont have super mudents and radors to fite

In order to set a game in "civilized" lands like NCR territory, you would still need to have some sort of conflict that motivates the story. Whether it's social unrest, a civil war, an invasion, criminal gangs up to no good, or whatever you would have something to fight against. I doubt a video game set in peaceful territory in which everything is hunky dory and people go on about their lives would get signed off on for an AAA budget.

If they want to do a game set in the Boneyard, they probably have some notion of what the central conflict would be.

The Gun runners use the weakness of the NCR as an attempt to take over. They have the guns and men to do it.

Why? What would their motivation be?

Easy, to increase their power and possible market base. As a separate country they could sell guns to anyone, no matter who is enemies to who. Because in NV they can't sell their gear to the legion or the various raiders because they're enemies to the Strip and NCR.

Getting into a full-scale war against the armed forces of the NCR would be a stupid business decision. If the Gun Runners took over the NCR by force, it would still make no sense to sell weapons to the Legion or raiders, who would still be determined to conquer their territory, or steal their stuff, respectively. Plus they would then have to manage the state. Keep the roads clear, keep trade, water and power flowing, organise defence of the borders.

If all they want is to sell a few guns to tribals or raiders, they should do it under the radar, or buy off a senator or two, not declare war on their own country, in which they already have a highly lucrative market. Even the van Graffs aren't that crazy.

I don't mean straight out war, but remember, the NCR is collapsing. Why not sell it to various rebel and gangster groups to quicken their demise. It's not like the NCR is in ANY position to fight the Gun Runners and the Legion. Not all raiders are like the fiends, many like the Powder Gangers and Khans are quite willing to do business, and so are the legion. Caesar isn't an idiot. He can and will reign in his men if fighting means losing business and causing lots of damage to his own force. Yes and? Just because they sell guns doesn't mean they can't control a small state. It's not impossible. You don't have to have a grade A leader diploma or a country runner to run a country. Remember the Gun runners won't need to make a conventional state like the NCR.

Declaring war and possibly destroying the NCR opens up the market for various groups starting out, instead of being limited to one mega state that can force down the prices because they can threaten the GR. With the legion on the horizon and the NCR falling apart, they can move to the public and take up a monopoly of gun making, also regulating the prizes as no one can threaten them. That's a great deal.

As Walpknut said, the NCR isn't collapsing. Its problems are far from insurmountable.

The gun runners are an arms manufacturing company. They rely on the infrastructure of the state to survive and thrive. Supply chain, raw materials, educated labour, prosperous markets, a pretty much exclusive contract with the NCR military. What can tribals and raiders offer that would make it worth destroying the NCR for? A few caps? Some animal skins?

Caesar is an idealogue. He is not a businessman. The Legion do not appear to trade with outsiders. They are not concerned with doing business or making money, they are concerned with conquest. They are losing men to the NCR, and they certainly aren't doing business with them. They have already been beaten at Hoover Dam once. Not even an attempt at peace. I can hardly see that changing if the NCR was replaced with the Gun Runners.

In any case, I can't imagine the gun runners are in any position to take on the NCR army in a fight. They may have lots of guns and money, but in terms of numbers, they are going to be tiny. Private security guarding their factories, caravan guards to escort shipments in hostile territory. They don't even have the numbers to keep energy weapons safe from the van Graffs.

I like to imagine the Legion winning, hence they would be collapsing.

They did pretty well without the NCR. And what limits them from creating labour and supplies? It's not like they live in a barren desert. The market isn't prosperous, because having one main business partner isn't the best, mainly because you cannot raise prices or suffer retribution. The NCR can easily pressure the GR to follow their demands. We're not discussing a Fallout 3 world, there would be smaller but civilized societies, and the GR can decide prices at what ever cost they want! It's not like these settlements are going to stop them.

The legion DOES trade with outsiders, hell there's an Arizona merchant in their camp. In fact they make far better trade routes due to the fact that they slaughter bandits and keep the routes safe. The GR wouldn't replace the NCR, they're not that powerful.

If the NCR is collapsing (due to Legion pressure) then it's entirely possible they have the ability. Remember that the main percentage of the military is currently in the Mojave Desert. Numbers are no way of fighting theft and industrial sabotage.

 

[TorontoReign]

I like to imagine the Legion winning, hence they would be collapsing.

They did pretty well without the NCR. And what limits them from creating labour and supplies? It's not like they live in a barren desert. The market isn't prosperous, because having one main business partner isn't the best, mainly because you cannot raise prices or suffer retribution. The NCR can easily pressure the GR to follow their demands. We're not discussing a Fallout 3 world, there would be smaller but civilized societies, and the GR can decide prices at what ever cost they want! It's not like these settlements are going to stop them.

The legion DOES trade with outsiders, hell there's an Arizona merchant in their camp. In fact they make far better trade routes due to the fact that they slaughter bandits and keep the routes safe. The GR wouldn't replace the NCR, they're not that powerful.

If the NCR is collapsing (due to Legion pressure) then it's entirely possible they have the ability. Remember that the main percentage of the military is currently in the Mojave Desert. Numbers are no way of fighting theft and industrial sabotage.

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