I wouldn't mind if there was a game in more civilized NCR territory. Maybe it'd be a time during civil unrest because things didn't go well in the Mojave (either because of a Legion, House, Courier victory or they won Hoover Dam but some other problem arised) and the NCR is kind've in a make it or break it scenario. Depending on how you handle things the NCR either lives to die another day or you finally bring it to it's bureaucratic knees.
The NCR Ending Is Canon
- Thread starter RangerBoo
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Okay, fair enough. So the Legion are advancing. The NCR are in trouble. If the Gun Runners start a war with the NCR now, the best case scenario for them is that they win. They cut off the head of the NCR. Well done Gun Runners. Now what? The legion are still advancing, who is going to stop them? I doubt many of the NCR veterans you just started a war against are going to help you. No Rangers. No troopers. You watch as the legion swallow up and assimilate more and more of your customers until eventually they reach the Boneyard, enslave your engineers and technicians, and crucify anybody who resists.
They don't have one main business partner. They have an extremely lucrative partnership with the NCR, but they also sell guns to anybody who rocks up at one of their shops. And sell to caravans dealing with New Canaan and beyond.
The only people they can't sell to are feral raiders, like the Fiends or the White Legs, or people the NCR are actively at war with, like the Legion. The first are hardly a lucrative market compared to what they have already, seeing as they would use the weapons to attack caravans and generally disrupt the economy. The second is pretty much suicide, because the legion has no interest in allowing other factions to exist, as has been shown time and time again.
If they are aiming to break up the NCR and sell to all the different factions that result, they are essentially turning their own homeland into a warzone. What is the sense in that? Maybe they would make more money, but it certainly wouldn't improve their quality of life.
There is absolutely no indication that the Gun Runners are being coerced into selling their weapons to the NCR at an unfair price. And what is this talk of "retribution"? What retribution? The NCR have nothing to gain by attacking their main supplier of guns and ammo, and the Gun Runners have nothing to gain by attacking their biggest customer.
Dale Barton is not a faction, he is a trader who works in legion territory. He is no threat to them. You've seen the ending slides for the Great Khans, even when they help the legion, they are assimilated and their identity erased. If the Legion were to win, life would probably be pretty good for a lot of small traders and caravaneers, but I can't see Caesar allowing a large, powerful, independent faction like the Gun Runners to continue existing independently of the Legion.
If the NCR is collapsing anyway, the gun runners would be better off either straight-up defecting to the Legion, offering their skills in exchange for amnesty, and gambling on receiving Caesar's mercy, or else running like hell into Canada or Mexico. If the NCR as a unified force couldn't stand against the Legion, a collection of disparate tribes and cities certainly won't be able to.
Geckos are evil little bastards. I'm okay with that!
Earth
Vault Senior Citizen
I'm gonna be the dark horse and say I want Father Elijah's ending. Fuck everything, let's wipe the slate clean.
So sure, the NCR can win the Battle of Hoover Dam all they want (in the end, it won't matter
heh heh)
I would not be surprised if Bethesda decided that the NCR ending was the canon one.
So sure, the NCR can win the Battle of Hoover Dam all they want (in the end, it won't matter
heh heh)I would not be surprised if Bethesda decided that the NCR ending was the canon one.
Doomfullord
The Lord Full of Doom
I think the NCR works better as an encroaching entity rather than something seen up close. Something in washington where we only hear about the NCR would be nicer than being within it. We've seen them a lot and to be honest not getting to explore something is better than fully exploring it. That way there's enough blank space to both fill it up with our own ideas as well so it's easier to blend together coherently. If we don't know everything stuff that doesn't fully make sense can be made out to be "We just don't know." As well part of what we like about stuff sometimes is that mystery. Lore is supposed to be expansive to make the world feel bigger, and what feels bigger than a length that we can't measure. IF we knew too much the world would feel a lot smaller. Going into new west coast territory could open up a lot for an Obsidian game. I'd love to see even more factions explored that they'd create. It'd be that much more good lore in the game series, rather than retredding something. Maybe a nice new big civilization can form to rival the NCR in some way. Something fresh is really all I want.
I can see the NCR winning Hoover Dam, but then stalling out trying to cross the four states area, due to it being miles of endless desert with little in the way of resources, even more so then California is already. Not to mention that, before The Legion, the are was basically nothing but raiders and tribal groups that didn't have farms or anything, and The Legion itself did nothing to change that since there was no civilian branch of The Legion. There is really no civilization in the four states area, so the NCR trying to take it over would be a really slow crawl because they are already stretched thin on resources back home.
It would be a great way to limit the NCR, stop them from becoming too powerful, while also avoiding just straight up destroying them, since that would be a rather dull way to end them.
Maybe have the khans form that empire in the north west, though keep them on the other side of the mountains from Seattle and Portland.
It would be a great way to limit the NCR, stop them from becoming too powerful, while also avoiding just straight up destroying them, since that would be a rather dull way to end them.
Maybe have the khans form that empire in the north west, though keep them on the other side of the mountains from Seattle and Portland.
Slaughter Manslaught
Vault Senior Citizen
I personally prefer House victory - the Courier still keeps around as his second-in-command and quite powerful, and I think House's New Vegas would be a very interesting place. Nearby towns and places join House, giving him a little nice city-state with some extra fat.
Legion and NCR keep their fighting while House gets rich and powerful. Would't surprise me if post-game, Mr. House made sure Caesar's tumor was healed so he could keep balancing the NCR - he does tell you not to harm a hair on his head - if you can find any, heh.
Without New Vegas and the Dam, the NCR probably keeps fighting the Legion at the other borders without any clear victor. Maybe it moves in after the Legion collapses, or it gets stopped by a Legion successor state.
NCR probably stays mostly in their turf, maybe get more expansion going on in parts of Nevada, Baja, and to the north through Vault City and Klamath - not to the coast, through - that's New Arroyo turf and I'm sticking to it.
Legion and NCR keep their fighting while House gets rich and powerful. Would't surprise me if post-game, Mr. House made sure Caesar's tumor was healed so he could keep balancing the NCR - he does tell you not to harm a hair on his head - if you can find any, heh.
Without New Vegas and the Dam, the NCR probably keeps fighting the Legion at the other borders without any clear victor. Maybe it moves in after the Legion collapses, or it gets stopped by a Legion successor state.
NCR probably stays mostly in their turf, maybe get more expansion going on in parts of Nevada, Baja, and to the north through Vault City and Klamath - not to the coast, through - that's New Arroyo turf and I'm sticking to it.
I think it's canon that the Legion use slave labour to farm on a large scale, and some tribes would probably also have farms. Can't find the reference for it now though.
Languorous_Maiar
A Smooth-Skin
Umm... they're NOT using the slave labour on large scale (and mainly use slavery only on tribals they meet, but just to increase tribal army). There are normal communites in 4 states, with electricity, clean water and overall safety.
According to Sawyer, The Legion doesn't even mine for the gold they use to make their coins.
There is NO civilian structure in The Legion, its 100% pure military.
Any food they get is from the few preexisting non-tribal communities they conquered and didn't destroy.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
The Legion is the army, the people under them are their subjects.
The enslavement in the Mojave area is completely outside of the norm, and they are using it more to play mind games with the NCR. They usually only enslave tribals and conscript them into their army if they are men, or made breeders if they are women. They say as much.
Altho, with how limited the rights of their subjects are, you could say the subjects are just a higher tier of slave.
The enslavement in the Mojave area is completely outside of the norm, and they are using it more to play mind games with the NCR. They usually only enslave tribals and conscript them into their army if they are men, or made breeders if they are women. They say as much.
Altho, with how limited the rights of their subjects are, you could say the subjects are just a higher tier of slave.
The-Artist-64
"Set Phasers to Fun."
Mishmash
First time out of the vault
why a gun runners vs ncr scenario? maybe Van Graffs vs ncr. We saw Van graffs selling weapons to the legion and they said they would fight the ncr one day.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Yeah that's a biased source.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Uhmmm the Van Graff's selling weapons to the Legion was a ruse to gain NCR favor.....
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Ah I see. The actual exchange didn't take place right? Otherwise... actually selling guns to the enemy hoping to become with their enemy is... weird.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Replay the game. Altho you need to sacrifice Cass to see it, the entire weapons exchange is a trap. The NCR surrounds the warehouse and they kill the entire legion platoon.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
I see. That is interesting.
Mishmash
First time out of the vault
yep. aniway gun runner and van graffs are against each other,and van graffs compete with their business rivals with assassination and unfair competition,against ncr laws. "the Van Graffs hate the NCR mostly as they often stop their expansion with regulations and taxes. They also stated how at one point they would have been able to take on the NCR head-to-head, but as of the New Vegas era the NCR is said to be too large" (fallout wiki). What if Van graffs supports a revolution of some of the city-states in new california. New Reno,The Hub and LA. Many farmers could easely be against Shady Sands during the civil war due to the high taxes imposed by Kimball to sustain thr mojave militar campaign.
Also,some chapters of the brotherhod could join the war to subvert shady sands,fighting with Van Graffs even if they use energy weapons and open their bunkers to the wasteland while other chapters will remain loyal to the codex and neutral during the revolution.
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