The NCR Ending Is Canon

Earth said:
It is increasingly an issue for the Fallout series that it is pulling itself out of even the post-post apocalyptic world. A Mr House or even a Wild Card ending would not be a good thing if we want Fallout to remain "post-apocalyptic". On the other side, the NCR are becoming increasingly more "civilised". I'd be pissed off if raiders and deathclaws were still running around the Core Region because it would just feel like nothing had changed since Fallout 2.

Why do people hate the Legion? Because they hurt our liberal sensibilities? That's the point of an evil faction. Legion territory would be a great place for the next Fallout game because they're an interesting faction with a lot of mystery still surrounding them, and one that remains within the "post-apocalyptic" world. Plus, their territory is one yet to be explored and could take yet more elements from the cancelled Van Buren project.

Whether a Legion victory is canon or not, Legion territory would be a great place to visit for the next Fallout game.
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Agreed, even if they lose it would be interesting to see their collapse and the chaos that would arise from that.
 
I just don't get why people want to return to the Core Region. Fallout, like the NCR, should always be "expanding", connecting from one area or faction to the next. The next game should either be in Legion territory: places like Arizona or Colorado, which would be cool as that could lead the series towards places like Texas and New Mexico. Or it should head north to Wyoming and Idaho. I'd like to see those Khan bastards again. I approve of their Phoenix-like quality of rebirth no matter what. If anything, the North would be a nice change of scene from the deserts and urban cities we've been used to.
 
canada lolz

ugh, what i'm saying. of course it will loss of its fallout feel.
 
Considering that Canada was annexed by the USA pre-war, there's probably a lot of interesting Fallout-y stuff there.

We might finally get to see what a nuclear winter entails.
 
Earth said:
Considering that Canada was annexed by the USA pre-war, there's probably a lot of interesting Fallout-y stuff there.

We might finally get to see what a nuclear winter entails.
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One of the big missed opportunities in Fallout 4 I think was really exploring post-apocalyptic weather, particularly in the context of survival, so I'd be all over a Fallout game where the game tracking what month it is actually matters. Having food be scarcer in winter, and having to dress appropriately to avoid hypothermia/heat stroke could be really interesting.

I mean, they even had all those snow assets left over from Skyrim and didn't really use them.
 
Earth said:
Considering that Canada was annexed by the USA pre-war, there's probably a lot of interesting Fallout-y stuff there.

We might finally get to see what a nuclear winter entails.
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bring me metro 2033 style nuclear winter in surface!
 
PossibleCabbage said:
One of the big missed opportunities in Fallout 4 I think was really exploring post-apocalyptic weather, particularly in the context of survival, so I'd be all over a Fallout game where the game tracking what month it is actually matters. Having food be scarcer in winter, and having to dress appropriately to avoid hypothermia/heat stroke could be really interesting.

I mean, they even had all those snow assets left over from Skyrim and didn't really use them.
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Agreed, it would be a nice change of pace if the game had a large survival feel to it, better done then it was in New Vegas.
 
Earth said:
Considering that Canada was annexed by the USA pre-war, there's probably a lot of interesting Fallout-y stuff there.

We might finally get to see what a nuclear winter entails.
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Probably just me, but I'm interested in seeing a pre-war game set in Canada, with the intrigue centered around the freedom fighters. It wouldn't even be that much of a jump. A region getting occupied tends to be in complete chaos, with buildings looted and abandoned, so apart from being more populated and more intact it would be fairly similar in tone.

Speaking of invaded regions, I find myself reminded of that fact that there's subtle parallels between the NCR - Legion conflict in the Nevada deserts of Fallout, and the current US - Insurgents conflict in the Middle-East deserts of real-life.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
Speaking of invaded regions, I find myself reminded of that fact that there's subtle parallels between the NCR - Legion conflict in the Nevada deserts of Fallout, and the current US - Insurgents conflict in the Middle-East deserts of real-life.
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Good to see someone else has noticed that. Yes it's prophetic that the NCR are a lot like the "Western powers", Mr House and Vegas are like Assad and the liberal dictators of the Middle East and ISIS are akin to Caesar's Legion.
 
Obsidian has already say there aren't any parallels between the NCR-Legion war and any real life conflict, at least not intentionally.

And to the OP, I was honestly expecting Bethesda to pick the Independent ending or have a WitW scenario. NCR ending being canon is actually a pretty good scenario.
 
Ben Soto said:
Obsidian has already say there aren't any parallels between the NCR-Legion war and any real life conflict, at least not intentionally.
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There doesn't really need to be any intention. The politics and intrigue behind both the NCR-Legion conflict and the real-life issues in the Middle East are stories as old as time, and similar events have occurred all throughout the past. It's easy to stumble upon this topic by pure happenstance, you could easily find similar narratives in plenty of other games. They're not rare.

It's just that there are more similarities because of the setting and contemporary technology. In New Vegas, it's a desert setting where most settlements have not progressed too well, and the Legion are poorly equipped insurgents that use guerilla tactics and terrorism yet possesses a large number of supporters and are able to effectively conquer whole lands. Their beliefs are in the service of one central being, and they are hostile, misogynistic, and xenophobic. To hammer the point home in the least subtle way possible, they try to bomb the monorail system of an airport.

But I guess the similarities rose from the fact that the NCR was trying emulate pre-war America in the first place, and the parallels ending up this way were likely from the start. Obsidian didn't have to try, just by thinking logically and being good writers that can simulate realistic events in their heads, the NCR would end up channeling real-life USA eventually. Hey, I wonder if the Legion won, would the NCR start supplying raider gangs to fight the Legion?

Ben Soto said:
And to the OP, I was honestly expecting Bethesda to pick the Independent ending or have a WitW scenario. NCR ending being canon is actually a pretty good scenario.
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The independent ending will certainly be the easiest for them, which means it's likely they'll be taking it if they were the ones choosing. The NCR ending would be pretty boring, it would be exactly like every other game ever. I never liked the Legion, but I would be more interested in seeing the results of their victory.
 
I think that the reason the Legion ending is the most unlikely is that if you advance the clock ~50 years the only difference between "Legion victory" and "Legion defeat" is the extent of the region affected by the chaos and violence following Caesar's death (i.e. "does it extend into Nevada or not".)

Since they're unlikely to set a game in exactly the same place as a past game, you can just have your Fallout set in the four corners region and it will be more or less the same whether or not the Legion is turned back at the Dam. So if you're interested in following up on the Legion, there's your game.

If you're not interested in following up on the Legion, you probably don't want to leave "but what happens to the people in Nevada and California" hanging like that.

But the independent ending is probably the most likely since it commits you to the fewest outcomes. The Courier need only be as competent in ruling Vegas as the writers of the next game want her to be.
 
1. Kellogg is like 100 years old and he was referencing the time when the NCR was pushing towards New Vegas.

2. In all honesty, the NCR probably did win the second battle for Hoover dam. They had the most guns, people, money, and possibly with the right robo-seducing, House's support.

Let's take a look at the alternatives:

-Caesar: Brain cancer, probs gonna die soon. Then the metal guy will take over. He's an idiot tbh. Caesar moves into New Vegas aaaaandd gets fucked up by the NCR.

What d'you think the NCR isn't desperate?

-House: Solves everyone's problems, flies away.

There'd be no Fallout game if all the problems are gone. It adds to the plot.

Yes-man: They'd have to nail down a specific look for the courier. They hate doing that. Plus, it'd be hard to acknowledge the fact that New Vegas is run by some douche with purple hair.

The NCR ending has a lot more reasonable choices:

The NCR would've taken New Vegas, probably dispersed the Legion. But the Legion would totally halt any progress to the more eastern parts of the U.S.

It's still got it's problems and bureaucracy, so the show goes on. And it doesn't really get rid of Caesar's legion, so they'll make a recurrence.

It's just my opinion, please don't stab me.
 
I like to think that Dead Money is the canon ending. The Brotherhood of Steel's final fuck you to the world.
 
Too bad there won't be a canon ending to FNV for at least three more years (including 2016), if you're looking for Obsidian to make a new Fallout game.
 
NotAcasul said:
You're awful pessimistic aren't you?
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Nah, I just think seeing what happens after 50 years of the Cloud spreading would be a neat apocalyptic setting and more interesting than just "NCR keep expanding" or "New Vegas continues to be independent."

"best-laid schemes o' mice an' men" and all that. There's something quite amusing to me in Mr House seizing control of Vegas after all these years, building up his technological wealth, then being fucked by a crazy old remnant of an organisation he had eradicated.
 
Ninja said:
Canon ending is the Courier is never found by Victor and dies in a shallow grave.
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That's probably true tbh. The Courier is basically a tourist in the Mojave Wasteland. Everything you do someone else could have done (apart from Lonesome Road). The only one that relies on a Courier "character" is Mr House's ending, finding a replacement for Benny.
 
Legion makes for the best ending as it fucks up everything. No longer do we have super large nations but smaller independent cities. Also, civil war!
 
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