Today in Romania

Vasile said:
Sorry to say it Jebus, but your knowledge in history has a couple of flaws.
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Here we go again.


"In the 4-13th centuries the Romanian people had to face the waves of migrating peoples - the Getae, the Huns, the Gepidae, the Avars, the Slavs, the Petchenegs, the Cumanians, the Tartars - who crossed the Romanian territory. The migratory tribes controlled this space from the military and political points of view, delaying the economic and social development of the natives and the formation of local statehood entities."
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It's funny how you would quote that part of the text, and not the part following:

The Slavs, who massively settled since the 7th century south of the Danube, split the compact mass of Romanians in the Carpathian-Danubian area: the ones to the north (the Daco-Romanians) were separated from the ones to the south, who were moved towards the west and Southeast of the Balkan Peninsula (Aromanians, Megleno-Romanians and Istro-Romanians). The Slavs that settled north of the Danube were assimilated little by little by the Romanian people and their language left traces in the vocabulary and phonetics of the Romanian language.
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Or the part before:

At the time when the Daco-Roman ethno-cultural symbiosis was achieved
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Or ignore the Greek, Ottoman, Russian, etc. etc. settlers that also mixed with the population.

Don't come bullshitting me about 'racial hygenics' - there is no such thing as 'pure' races anymore.
 
you know... as a sane guy it makes me think in a year or 2 it might be the right time to go there after enough men cut off or destroy their penises and snatch up a cute chick or 2
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Wow! Another tourist looking for sex-craving romanian girls, that would *really* be new. Word of advice: if you do decide to visit stay away from village discos and the girls there, the men have very short fuses and clubs close at hand. :roll: Aside from that knock yourself out. I heard Mike Tyson really enjoyed the scenery here, that and the girls... :wink:
 
Jebus said:
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I'm John Usgklass, and I approve of this anthropological bitch slap of racist idiots.

FYR people are funner though. Ever seen the Paradox History thread about the origin of the Croatian people?
 
Do you mean that thread you linked to in a PM about a year ago? Yeah, that one was a riot. There wasn't anything particularly racist about it, just the usual drivel about how Croats pwned everything from Po to Black Sea the moment they set foot upon this soil. Sadly, these far-fetched and unprovable claims have been serving as foundation of elementary school history teaching since 1991.

Ironically, Slavic people are always the quickest to deny Slavic roots of their nation, as if fierce denial will somehow compensate for the fact that they, much like their forefathers, are, have always been, and always will be, destitute, weak and prime target for political, military and economic butt-raping. Really, if every such bullshit crack-induced account is taken seriously, historians and ethnologists might as well proclaim that "Slavs" aren't an ethnic body, but a label invented by panslavists or - why the hell not - Hitler.
 
Yeah. It's especially ironic considering that basically every other nationalism-influenced ethnological theory is wrong because it denies that the current linguistic/ethnic group moved in and pushed everyone out/killed them, but the opposite is true (Turkey, Germany, England, most Indo-European countries). The exact opposite is the case of most of the Slavic people: considering that the Slavic migrations where largely non-violent, it can be assumed that it was essentially a mass Squatting movement: the natives moved out, the Slavs moved in.


The only exception that comes to mind is the Norse-Slavic debates on the foundations of the Russian nation.
 
John Uskglass said:
Ever seen the Paradox History thread about the origin of the Croatian people?
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I try desperately to stay away from that section of the Paradox boards.

Once I enter there, I may never leave.
 
Jebus said:
Once I enter there, I may never leave.
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I can see the headlines now: "Jebus Gobson, an undergrad history student and prominent member of Brugge homosexual community found dead at his computer! Suspected cause of death: starvation!"
 
John Uskglass said:
I'm John Usgklass, and I approve of this anthropological bitch slap of racist idiots.
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That bitchslap was sociohistorical, not anthropological.

Jebus said:
The exact opposite is the case of most of the Slavic people: considering that the Slavic migrations where largely non-violent, it can be assumed that it was essentially a mass Squatting movement: the natives moved out, the Slavs moved in.

The only exception that comes to mind is the Norse-Slavic debates on the foundations of the Russian nation.
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Consider the immense complexity of the Migration Period under which most of the "slavic" movement falls under, don't you think that's simplifying?

Just a bit?

PS: you were totally the arrogant historian in this thread again. Lolzors.
 
I am not English because I am Saxon not celt therefore I am a German/whatever citizen :!:
 
Silence, you ingleesh pig-dog. No spamminge on ze thread or I shall taunt you again.
 
That bitchslap was sociohistorical, not anthropological.
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O rly?

Consider the immense complexity of the Migration Period under which most of the "slavic" movement falls under, don't you think that's simplifying?

Just a bit?
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Yes. Yes it is. But the Slavic migrations where largely peacful and, like I said, was largely a squatter movement. There where some exceptions, though, of course.

PS: you were totally the arrogant historian in this thread again. Lolzors.
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That post was me dude. And I try not to be the 'arrogant historian', as, unlike some people, I have not even dared to get my Bachelor's in the subject, and thus I am inherintly inferior to the glorious people that do, like our mighty lord Jebus.[/url]
 
John Uskglass said:
O rly?
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My brother studied cultural Anthropology at the University of Amsterdam, though the full studyname is something like Cultural Anthropology and Sociology of Non-Western Cultures. Mostly Malinowski stuff. Considering the number of papers I went over or read from his and his yearmates and the books I read that he recommended, I do think I know what cultural anthropology is. Somehow I don't think I'll need the over-more-flawed Wikipedia for that, thank you.

I suggest you read that Wiki article and then go over Jeeb's post again, you'll see most of it (as in the article quoted from) is about historical facts, political, military facts and people moving, which is history or sociohistory, not anthropology (of any kind, let alone cultural).

You probably let the phrase "Daco-Roman ethno-cultural symbiosis" throw you off, but in the context of the article it's clearly historical. It's very endemic of historians that they throw in conclusion in between the facts that are "common sense". The people lived in the same area and the current culture looks like a symbiosis between two cultures, so we'll just toss in a Daco-Roman ethno-cultural symbiosis in here. Something that would abhor an anthropologist, who would not simply accept this as a given but begin to question whether this is a matter of symbiosis or the inheritence of a dead culture or etc. etc.

It is, possible, an interdisciplinary study, though

John Uskglass said:
Yes. Yes it is. But the Slavic migrations where largely peacful and, like I said, was largely a squatter movement. There where some exceptions, though, of course.
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:roll: You're going to suck at anthropology

http://assets.cambridge.org/052180/2024/sample/0521802024ws.pdf

John Uskglass said:
That post was me dude. And I try not to be the 'arrogant historian', as, unlike some people, I have not even dared to get my Bachelor's in the subject, and thus I am inherintly inferior to the glorious people that do, like our mighty lord Jebus
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Dude, I was poking fun at Jebus. I was hoping we'd get in a fight again
 
My brother
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I thought Dutch people stopped having babies, let alone more then one?

You probably let the phrase "Daco-Roman ethno-cultural symbiosis" throw you off, but in the context of the article it's clearly historical. It's very endemic of historians that they throw in conclusion in between the facts that are "common sense". The people lived in the same area and the current culture looks like a symbiosis between two cultures, so we'll just toss in a Daco-Roman ethno-cultural symbiosis in here. Something that would abhor an anthropologist, who would not simply accept this as a given but begin to question whether this is a matter of symbiosis or the inheritence of a dead culture or etc. etc.
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Humph. You have a point.

It is, possible, an interdisciplinary study, though
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I would'nt think it was history primarily because it deals with the relationships between cultures and very little of it is documented, but as I said you have a point.


Rolling Eyes You're going to suck at anthropology
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Did you read the article? It's on the history of the study of the prehistory of the Slavs, not on the actual expansion. I read the entire thing, and it only goes over the history of...well...Slavic History. Not a bad article overall, but hardly on topic.

Dude, I was poking fun at Jebus. I was hoping we'd get in a fight again
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Feel free.
 
John Uskglass said:
I thought Dutch people stopped having babies, let alone more then one?
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Considering both my parents have about 6 siblings, my 2 siblings would count as "stopped", yeah

John Uskglass said:
Did you read the article? It's on the history of the study of the prehistory of the Slavs, not on the actual expansion. I read the entire thing, and it only goes over the history of...well...Slavic History. Not a bad article overall, but hardly on topic.
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Uhm, dude, you can't have read the entire thing I linked to, because it's a fragment of a book, not an article ;)

I linked to it (without much explanation, sorry), because it is interesting from a number of perspectives for this thread;

1. It deals with the imagery, science and pseudo-science of Slav history-making and ethnology
2. It is a Interdisciplinary study, socio-historical anthropological, it is interesting because you can see the influences of all those directly, though I guess it's archeological anthropology more than cultural.
 
John Uskglass said:
Dude, I was poking fun at Jebus. I was hoping we'd get in a fight again
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Like I'd waste my time on lowly non-history bachelors like you!

Phuh!
 
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