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Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by The Dutch Ghost, Feb 20, 2016.
The baldest for sure.
Benjamin Sisko baldly disagrees.
Picard is clearly the best Captain, but I put a vote in for Kirk since he rocks too. None of the others clicked with me the same way.
But! He's not a Captain, as far as I know! At least not all time.
I really like Sisko, because sometimes you need a commanding officer willing to punch a demigod.
Jesus the first season of Next Generation was bad. There was one episode in particular that was really bad.
Back then, it was the shit. You're just to fucking young!
No, even in the opinion of a lot of older Star Trek fans Season 1 was shit in general. The series really had to find its feet which started to take place in Season 2 and 3.
This particular scene though, was for it's time interesting. Not that I was really serious to begin with. I mean remember, it was 20 years ago, so it spawned some discussion. There was once a time when a black woman kissing a white man was also considered a controversy. That's what I mean when I say you're to young. Despite of the low quality, it just hits your nostalgia in the right spot, kinda.
Oh I don't mean that the writers did not try in TNG to be open minded and progressive but a lot of the stories were just plain flat or boring.
*shrugs* Maybe, I will agree that the acting got better over time, they improved a lot with the following seasons. But the story telling? I dunno. They introduced one of the most interesting characters, Q, with pretty much the first episode. I think the story telling and writing was for the most part decent. But I have to give you a point here, what they did better, a lot better, with the later episodes was to create a more coherent and believable setting, with the Klingons, Kardassians and Romulans, showing Star Fleet more in detail and all that.
With all the really awesome shows we have today, I am somewhat missing the really rich Sci-Fi you had in the 1990s. Like Space 2063, Babylon 5 and well Star Trek:Next Generation. I have never seen Serenity, but people say it was pretty cool too. They all had very distinctive styles and tackled different topics. I will say this again, I think the quality, and writing of many TV shows today, is top notch. Definetly on the quality of some block buster movies ... if not even better. But I can't help it and feel that they, are missing something that you got with those old TV shows. For the lack of better words, it's a different kind of pacing, if you know what I mean. That's just a feeling of course.
Oh yeah, Space: Above and Beyond was kinda cool. The 90s had some really great SciFi shows like Earth 2, Seaquest DSV, Sliders, Farscape, Seven Days and Lexx.
Does anyone know any really good new science fiction TV show? I tried watching Ascension, but it sucked, Defiance was also meh, Falling Skies was just weird towards the end, Terra Nova was good but died too early... Black Mirror was great, though.
Also, early Naughts shows. Dark Angel, Birds of Prey... Good times were had by all.
I agree that I definitely miss a lot of the imaginative sci fi programs from the 90s and early 2000's.
Writing and production values definitely have gone up these last few years, resulting in better thriller, drama, fantasy, and so on, but sci fi seems to have somewhat missed that boat.
Even the few shows set in a sci fi setting don't really use that setting in any really imaginative way, is it in the future or in space? humans just go out and discover themselves again. The future or space is no longer intriguing or mysterious any more.
There was some good material in the first season of TNG, it just required some refining until it got to shine as it were such as Q. In the beginning he was a whole 'holier than thou' type character without showing how much better he or the Q were, but as we got more development of him we got to realize that this was basically a bored Godlike entity whose species/civilization was stagnating or in decline as they were no longer doing anything to improve themselves or pursue curiosity or creativity simply because they had done almost everything they could imagine.
Man I loved Sliders, they really went a bad direction in later seasons though. Also to add to the list of TNG season 1 missteps is how they started trying to make the Ferangi badass only to retcon them into greedy little cowards.
Poor, poor Sliders. What started with an interesting premise slowly devolved into weekly 'sci fi' or fantasy tropes, though I really think they should have shaken up the series a little as some of the earlier episodes were rather boring to be honest.
Once in a while dealing with a scenario involving nationwide or global disasters did put in some needed tension and excitement.
But vampires, aliens, I can't even recall the rest any more and I did see most of all seasons.
Farscape and Lexx! Ah well! I have a feeling that we won't see such ... rich Sci-Fi shows for a long time . I mean I would not even call it really Sci-Fi, as it was more just some weird stuff. But still awesome. I mean insect ships with their own minds? Sex Slaves with the mixed DNA of giant space predator worms.
By the way! Who could ever forget the Star Gate series?
Cromags, long lost siblings,killing off Prof. Arturo, and how they replaced the O'connell's were my biggest issues.
Yeah I still recall those elements though it was at the back of my mind. Stuff I really did not care to remember.
At one side I would like to see a reboot, but on another I fear what would be done with it today.
And yep, I recall Stargate. SG-1 was one of my favorite shows, Atlantis felt more derivative, and after watching a few episodes of Universe I never bothered again. (did like the work that was put in the few aliens though and some ideas like those attack drones)
I liked Stargate: Atlantis. It was mostly the same stuff as SG1, but I liked the characters. Universe was boring, never really bothered with it. Ubergritty SciFi with psycho characters, grime and shakycam, no thanks. Didn't like the new Battlestar Galactica, don't like it now.
Sorry Crni Season One of TNG was pretty shitty. Aside from Q and a few other decent episodes it was so bad I had to skip a few. Try watching it again. It was cool to see the Ferengi though and the Romulan plot kicked in the last few episodes.
Sliders was pretty damn awesome for the time. After a couple of seasons it got pretty bad. They could have done so much more with the concept instead of using generic plots like "What if Vampires ruled the Earth?" and shit like that.