Will we ever get to join the Enclave? Or otherwise explore their organization?

I hope not, the Enclave always were/are disastrously retarded.

As I mentioned before their plan in Fallout 2 was stupid, the Enclave already had a pretty shallow gene pool and if he effectively killed everyone in the known world with FEV, I expect the incest on the oil rig would get so bad they'd all be centaurs after a few decades.
 
PhantomGrenadier said:
They should let you join the charred remnants of the Enclave in a future game, just so people can finally join. Something more than what we saw in New Vegas. Let the player join a fearful and depleted Enclave.

Do not bring them back as they used to be, for example most will not have power armor. And they will use brahmin convoys instead of Vertibirds. And they will have second hand weapons, dirty uniforms, and so on.

Perhaps the player can do some quests to make the Enclave great again. But do not bring them back like in 3.
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Pfft. If they're brought back, it should start with them nuking Shady Sands and having conquered NCR's remnants with plans to conquer the rest of humanity.

The Remnant was a fine questline in New Vegas but failed because there was no option to convince Arcade to help refound the Enclave.

With the Securitrons, Big Empty, and perhaps Boomers, you have a good place to start the restoration of Dick Richardson's Dream.

:D
 
CT Phipps said:
Pfft. If they're brought back, it should start with them nuking Shady Sands and having conquered NCR's remnants with plans to conquer the rest of humanity.

The Remnant was a fine questline in New Vegas but failed because there was no option to convince Arcade to help refound the Enclave.

With the Securitrons, Big Empty, and perhaps Boomers, you have a good place to start the restoration of Dick Richardson's Dream.

:D
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But that dream was retarded, even Autumn acknowledges that. And why should Arcade recreate Enclave? He have nothing to do with it apart his father being a member. The reestablished Enclave would make a way more sense if they would restore one of the Commonwealths to the NCR level of progress or more. MAYBE they are doing something like that in Chicago or maybe they are all long dead. I would prefer to keep the Enclave dead rather than repeat the "kill all" plan for the third time.
 
Steve the Enclave grunt said:
But that dream was retarded, even Autumn acknowledges that. And why should Arcade recreate Enclave? He have nothing to do with it apart his father being a member. The reestablished Enclave would make a way more sense if they would restore one of the Commonwealths to the NCR level of progress or more. MAYBE they are doing something like that in Chicago or maybe they are all long dead. I would prefer to keep the Enclave dead rather than repeat the "kill all" plan for the third time.
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Yeah, the kill all plan is stupid but I'm all for rebuilding the Enclave to scary super-tech levels.

We just need....a moonbase.

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CT Phipps said:
Yeah, the kill all plan is stupid but I'm all for rebuilding the Enclave to scary super-tech levels.

We just need....a moonbase.

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I would also argue that the closest thing we had to the Enclave victory in any of the Fallout games (except a game over screen) is siding with Mr. House in New Vegas. His long term plan aligns perfectly with what Enclave wanted in the first place, also as a founder of RobCo it is reasonable to assume he has/had ties to the Enclave, considering they were also descendants of the big American corporations.

And the Enclave from SPACE? That is a definition of asspull, it would be really cool, but also really stupid. I want them to return, but in a cleverly written way. Make them a pragmatic "villains" not an army from Mordor.
 
Steve the Enclave grunt said:
I would also argue that the closest thing we had to the Enclave victory in any of the Fallout games (except a game over screen) is siding with Mr. House in New Vegas. His long term plan aligns perfectly with what Enclave wanted in the first place, also as a founder of RobCo it is reasonable to assume he has/had ties to the Enclave, considering they were also descendants of the big American corporations.

And the Enclave from SPACE? That is a definition of asspull, it would be really cool, but also really stupid. I want them to return, but in a cleverly written way. Make them a pragmatic "villains" not an army from Mordor.
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Eh, to each their own. I want an Enclave which embodies the worst of America Pre-War and about stomping a boot of the face of humanity. I don't want them to be anything other than the guys doing this.

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You can maybe redeem them but I want them to be BAD guys. I also want them in all their Postwar Glory.

Moonbase is also wrong only if you want them to be ultra-serious an not goofy fun like Fallout should be.
 
Steve the Enclave grunt said:
I wouldn't call regrouped forces a new faction. By Your logic, every time a faction/group alters their ideology, they bacome a completely new group.
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Well, historically this is what often happens. If one type of faction collapses, and someone starts a new one, well ... then it is ... A NEW ONE!
You can continue ideologies, but you can not cotinue FACTIONS once they collapsed ... Jebus Christ ... do I speak chinese or something?

look, if Putin would anex all the nations around him, and declaring that Russia be now Called the 'Sovietunion' it would not make it the continuation of the Sovietunion that collapsed in the 1990s.

Again, you ALSO confuse IDEOLOGY with MOVEMENT(!). I am talking about THE ENCLAVE, as the group, that you talked to and interacted with on the Oil Rig! And THIS(!) Group, DIED with the Oil Rig in a gigantic fireball. If the Vice President, would have escaped somehow, and started something new on Navarro, then you might have a point. but since that didn't happen and it is save to assume that ALL of the leadership died there, it is fair to say that the faction we knew in Fallout 2, simply put, died there.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
Fallout 1 wasn't goofy fun.
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On my end, I saw it as lightheartedly weird in that it's all serious in the game-universe but still ridiculous from an OOU perspective. Radscorpions, Thieves Guilds, Brain Robots, the Master's Nuclear Church with David Warner's ridiculously overthetop Evil Priest, Harry, and the Ghouls.
 
CT Phipps said:
On my end, I saw it as lightheartedly weird in that it's all serious in the game-universe but still ridiculous from an OOU perspective. Radscorpions, Thieves Guilds, Brain Robots, the Master's Nuclear Church with David Warner's ridiculously overthetop Evil Priest, Harry, and the Ghouls.
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I didn't say it was 100% serious, but you said Fallout is meant to be goofy when the first game that laid down the foundations for the franchise wasn't goofy.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Well, historically this is what often happens. If one type of faction collapses, and someone starts a new one, well ... then it is ... A NEW ONE!
You can continue ideologies, but you can not cotinue FACTIONS once they collapsed ... Jebus Christ ... do I speak chinese or something?

look, if Putin would anex all the nations around him, and declaring that Russia be now Called the 'Sovietunion' it would not make it the continuation of the Sovietunion that collapsed in the 1990s.

Again, you ALSO confuse IDEOLOGY with MOVEMENT(!). I am talking about THE ENCLAVE, as the group, that you talked to and interacted with on the Oil Rig! And THIS(!) Group, DIED with the Oil Rig in a gigantic fireball. If the Vice President, would have escaped somehow, and started something new on Navarro, then you might have a point. but since that didn't happen and it is save to assume that ALL of the leadership died there, it is fair to say that the faction we knew in Fallout 2, simply put, died there.
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Hmmm... Point taken. However did the Enclave collapsed with it's governing body on the Oil Rig? I'm asking becouse we have soldiers in the mainland who didn't see the cause as collapsed. For them there were no gap in the Enclave existance. The Oli Rig get blown up, Autumn Senior takes the mainland personel to the east coast, for them there is a continuation. I agree with Your thinking, but it doesn't apply here. We can go to the semanitc like "I consider ENCLAVE this and this, and this is not it, becouse reasons". If You say that F3 Enclave isn't THE ENCLAVE it is just like YOu would say The guys in Navarro aren't THE ENCLAVE. Then a question rises, what IS the Enclave?
 
Steve the Enclave grunt said:
Hmmm... Point taken. However did the Enclave collapsed with it's governing body on the Oil Rig? I'm asking becouse we have soldiers in the mainland who didn't see the cause as collapsed. For them there were no gap in the Enclave existance. The Oli Rig get blown up, Autumn Senior takes the mainland personel to the east coast, for them there is a continuation. I agree with Your thinking, but it doesn't apply here. We can go to the semanitc like "I consider ENCLAVE this and this, and this is not it, becouse reasons". If You say that F3 Enclave isn't THE ENCLAVE it is just like YOu would say The guys in Navarro aren't THE ENCLAVE. Then a question rises, what IS the Enclave?
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According to Colonel Autumn, John Henry Eden was actually on Dick's cabinet and in the succession of government. Which leads me to the weird idea of seeing John Henry Eden's Eyebot floating over a chair and making addresses about health care and baseball.

So, when Colonel Autumn overthrows Eden and is killed, then the Enclave's government as a legitimate force is finally destroyed forever.
 
CT Phipps said:
According to Colonel Autumn, John Henry Eden was actually on Dick's cabinet and in the succession of government. Which leads me to the weird idea of seeing John Henry Eden's Eyebot floating over a chair and making addresses about health care and baseball.

So, when Colonel Autumn overthrows Eden and is killed, then the Enclave's government as a legitimate force is finally destroyed forever.
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I had once a head cannon that the whole FEV idea in F2 was taken from Eden. I suppose that the US have a contingency in case of death of everyone in the chain of command. Theoretically we could assume that Autumn had a "Speaker of the House" function in the Enclave.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
I'm quite certain that Eden was not in contact with the Enclave before the Rig's destruction.

I recall we've talked about this before.
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They kind of have to be because why would Dick Richardson's personality be programmed into him otherwise? It's the only reason why he wants to FEV everyone.

One thing to note, I do believe the Enclave might have evacuated the Oil Rig to Navarro to some extent. Which is why Arcade Ganon and other children of the Enclave managed to survive. The destruction of the Oil Rig wasn't instantaneous and only would be a horrible massacre if you convinced the scientist to murder everyone.
 
CT Phipps said:
They kind of have to be because why would Dick Richardson's personality be programmed into him otherwise? It's the only reason why he wants to FEV everyone.
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Why would Richardson talk to Eden though?

Besides which you're saying he was on Richardson's cabinet, there's nothing Autumn says that suggests that.
 
There is no solid evidence, but thinking about it, it would make things ridicolusly contrived if he just to happen to contact them soon after/just after the Rig went to hell. His continous presence in the Enclave would make more sense.

And why would Richardson have him? Well he is a ZAX supercomputer after all, he might used him in the decision making process.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
Why would Richardson talk to Eden though?
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Eden has control over Raven's Rock. He's also a ZAX super computer and they're kind of stupid smart. Even the ones who are underground and have no contact with anyone have access to ridiculous amounts of data as you find out in Fallout 1.

You could easily argue Dick was planning on making a settlement in the post-post-apocalypse world in Raven's Rock.

Besides which you're saying he was on Richardson's cabinet, there's nothing Autumn says that suggests that.
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No, he's in the line of succession, though. That means he was either a Congressman or Cabinet Member.
 
CT Phipps said:
Eden has control over Raven's Rock. He's also a ZAX super computer and they're kind of stupid smart. Even the ones who are underground and have no contact with anyone have access to ridiculous amounts of data as you find out in Fallout 1.

You could easily argue Dick was planning on making a settlement in the post-post-apocalypse world in Raven's Rock.
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There's no indication of what the Enclave would do next if the FEV plan worked. They only tell you they want to exterminate all mutant life.

It's Raven Rock by the way.

CT Phipps said:
No, he's in the line of succession, though. That means he was either a Congressman or Cabinet Member.
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No it doesn't. I'll admit since Eden was programmed to ensure continuity of government he could be next in line of succession, but not as Congress or a Cabinet member.
 
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