a721402
Perhaps tomorrow will be better.
Excpet Enclave just a group cartoonish villains who already suffered 2 serious defeat, there are no reason for they to ever come back.
Will we ever get to join the Enclave? Or otherwise explore their organization?
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CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
I find them far superior to the Master and Caesar's Legion. They are, after all, a serious organization with legitimate claim to rule of the United States. Honestly, I think they deserve a chance to rise from the ashes and rule all with the help of a PC.
Also, the Enclave has had 200 years to rebuild its numbers from the Nuclear War. It should have millions of members.
TheChosen1
Moving Target
Except they consider everyone who isn't on the Oil Rig mutants and thus unworthy of joining their group 
a721402
Perhaps tomorrow will be better.
200 years is not a excuse for such bold claim, rebuild require manpower and resources, their manpower and resources mostly gone after their oll rig blow up, Navarro won't do since there mainly rely on the old rig to provide supply and it already been cut down more and more before the oli rig blow up, and we already know most major factions start hunting them right after their defeat, their is no reason they are able to build up again with that kind of condition.
TheChosen1
Moving Target
FNV demonstrates the Enclave best. A bunch of oldfags who cut all ties with the group and are just trying to lead normal lives.
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
I don't see that at all. The Enclave are basically descendants of the elected pre-war government, and secret service. That does not entitle them to anything.
Their history has given them access to military weapons, facilities, and equipment enough to steal governmental power by force; but that's all. They are but robber-barons in the original sense of the word.
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naossano
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
They do have the legal legitimacy of the USA government... which no longer exist at that point. Fallout landmass isn't no longer the United States of America and the people there are no longer US citizens.
It is like the (actual ancient time) roman senate or emperor had left some caves in the XXI th century and claimed all the mediterranean countries as part of their empire, and tried to rule it.
They might have had ruled the lands centuries ago, but the world has changed and they are no longer the rulers. Same goes for the Enclave.
It is like the (actual ancient time) roman senate or emperor had left some caves in the XXI th century and claimed all the mediterranean countries as part of their empire, and tried to rule it.
They might have had ruled the lands centuries ago, but the world has changed and they are no longer the rulers. Same goes for the Enclave.
Jogre
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
"This superficial difference we have makes us somehow better than everyone else, and people with this superficial difference are dying out. This means we have to get rid of everyone who wasn't born in this specific place forever, and then somehow our people will magically be able to survive easier"
If you think any group with a motive that silly is a serious organisation, you really need to redefine your concept of serious.
"We were once the shadow government of a country that no longer exists"
-Totes legit claim.
SarcasticGoodGuy
*R O T T E N*
Maybe we should have new content instead of the same shit again and again.
Although the Enclave were super serious intimidating villains and were actually morally grey. When they were talking about genocide and purity I was thinking "wow I never really looked at it this way, what a great justification"
Although the Enclave were super serious intimidating villains and were actually morally grey. When they were talking about genocide and purity I was thinking "wow I never really looked at it this way, what a great justification"
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The NCR, composed of people who were born and adapted to the wastes, have, in two hundred years, over the whole of California, southern Oregon, Northern Baja, and Eastern Navada already reached their limit. They are a fully fledged federal and modern government with cities and farms and herds of livestock and agencies and railroads and electricity and are already sputtering - and are more than 700,000 strong and have a army. And they're at their LIMIT.
The Enclave, a bunch of xenophobes who at their zenith had for a hundred and thirty years stood on a oil rig and a squadron of vertibirds and a few bases, who have lost all of those things, are somehow going to pop up again with 'millions'?
That's not believable in the slightest. It cannot be excused. The Wasteland is just that - a wasteland. You just can't pop out 'millions' out of nowhere, which is what the state of the enclave is equivalent to - nothing and zulch, old veterans at best and if you care for 3 broken down by the B.o.S (itself which is on the same tier of the Enclave for all intents and purposes yet they sometimes hire outsiders even since 1, allowing it some new blood to live by) in the Purification War.
The Enclave was big in 2. Want the Enclave? Play 2. Not good enough? Make a mod or offshoot game about it. But as a series, they are all but done. The series should not be reset for them or other defeated factions - it cannot be stressed enough. This goes for even 'successful' factions, such as the NCR or CL, who are already at their limit and shouldn't pop up, in say, Seattle or New Orleans.
The Enclave, a bunch of xenophobes who at their zenith had for a hundred and thirty years stood on a oil rig and a squadron of vertibirds and a few bases, who have lost all of those things, are somehow going to pop up again with 'millions'?
That's not believable in the slightest. It cannot be excused. The Wasteland is just that - a wasteland. You just can't pop out 'millions' out of nowhere, which is what the state of the enclave is equivalent to - nothing and zulch, old veterans at best and if you care for 3 broken down by the B.o.S (itself which is on the same tier of the Enclave for all intents and purposes yet they sometimes hire outsiders even since 1, allowing it some new blood to live by) in the Purification War.
The Enclave was big in 2. Want the Enclave? Play 2. Not good enough? Make a mod or offshoot game about it. But as a series, they are all but done. The series should not be reset for them or other defeated factions - it cannot be stressed enough. This goes for even 'successful' factions, such as the NCR or CL, who are already at their limit and shouldn't pop up, in say, Seattle or New Orleans.
Prone Squanderer
A bit of a Sillius Soddus.
The Enclave's dead mate. Move on to a new faction, play Enclave mods or as Danuis said play Fallout 2 again.
Also how the hell did you reach the conclusion that the Enclave should have millions of members? From where? Itself? The wasteland? Neither are possible.
Steve the Enclave grunt
First time out of the vault
Most likely the Enclave is gone/disbanded or reformed as a new organisation. However the Grand Zealot Rihter's (from Far Harbor) implies they might be still around, but reduced to raiders, scavangers or some sort like that AND atleast in 2277 there were Enclave outposts in Chicago, so there is room for speculation. Personally I think that their absence in Fallout 4 is a miss, considering that it would be geniunely interesting to see their interactions with Sole Survivior (if they were leaning closer to Autumn's ideals) but knowing Beth's quality in writing it would be dissapointment and disservice to the faction... again.
One question though, From where are coming all those APA's/X-01's from in the Commonwealth?
One question though, From where are coming all those APA's/X-01's from in the Commonwealth?
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
It's a sad sacrifice but destroying all the degenerate evil mutants of the wasteland will allow the United States and world to be resettled. It's a plan to save everything. Better than anything the BOS or NCR has.
And million is an exaggeration but in two hundred years, we saw the United States' population explode. The Enclave could have made any number of colonies.But yes, they're a group which is one of the best in Fallout and certainly useful for discussing where the setting should go. You could also do a lot with them ranging from secret cults in NCR, gangs which have co-opted their idealogy, or secret pockets of them building empires.
I think the do have a claim to sit in the white house, Yeah the white house that is blown to all hell that has a few brotherhood of steel protecting it. It yeah fine they can proclaim the own the USA but I'm afraid the US does not exist in terms of that USA anymore
Who does actually 'own' the united states? Is the Congress? The President? Or the People?
SarcasticGoodGuy
*R O T T E N*
Nothing wrong with a bit of genocide here and there.\s
Unless you have radiation poisoning or are deemed unworthy by Enclave standards.
Based on what evidence?
Except the NCR actually worked and had united a large portion of the West Coast. What has the Enclave done that has come close to the success of the NCR?
You think that a handful of people can build an Empire?
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Absolutely our glorious President Dick Richardson, hereditary ruler of us all.
Certainly, I find the idea there's only an oil rig left of them after a century to be silly.
I'm going to include the enclave in my fallout Atlanta my idea is for them to be nothing more than social outcast who have these grand 'plans' but can never even attempted to be put into action because lack of equipment and man power. There nothing more than a few buddies who use to drink down the pub they survive together barely and lets it. Kinda similar to how their displayed in NV
Kinda like you're unyounger sibling who says there going to take over the world and you just laugh at them
Kinda like you're unyounger sibling who says there going to take over the world and you just laugh at them
Jogre
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
But that wouldn't make any sense.
The people of the Wasteland are bound to have mutants in there bloodline at some point. Only first generation Vault Dwellers, and extreme isolationists can be sure they aren't mutants
Why would people willingly support an ideology that wants them and all there family dead?
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Because it's not a coherent ideology, it's an ideology which exists for the purposes of human supremcism. Any gang which adopts it is co-opting it for the power of its symbology and ability to unite individuals. Given there's Russian Neo-Nazis, I see no reason not to have NCR Neo-Enclave as the Enclave is a boogeyman and people will want to harness that fear.
Besides, given they live on an oil rig and on Navarro, I think it's clear the Enclave's claim they're not mutants is questionable at best.