Can we honestly say Fallout 4 is better than Fallout 3?

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by Sn1p3r187, Jan 1, 2016.

  1. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I know, if I ever get my hands on Fallout 4, I am going to abuse the console-commands like crazy. There is no way that I am going to deal with that bullshit system of theirs, and just make it a full shooter from the start.
     
  2. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Dedman oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Don't waste your time.
     
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  3. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    I did that and it still doesn't solve the game's biggest problem; it's boring as hell!
    At some point when I had reached that robot gallery/market of tomorrow place I grew tired of the grinding when I thought about how it only prevented me from opening high level doors, hacking computers, or crafting/modifying high end gear, but that it did little to change the game experience (the campaign or quests would not go any different with a low level or a high end one). So at that moment I decided I might as well turn the player character in a super woman; a 'master of all'.

    I guess it did make a lot more powerful weapons and gear appear.
     
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  4. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Yep, unlimited ammo, no weight limitation and just go crazy!
     
  5. Millim

    Millim The Big Straight Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    Fallout 4 is a weird one for me and I have no clear answer.
    I think it's a better overall game than Fallout 3 and I honestly prefer it.
    But I didn't have as much fun.

    While Fallout 3 came out around a time when that sort of game was a dime a dozen on consoles, it's now become the norm and so it's much harder to impress us.
    I might say that my initial reaction was that F3 was superior, but for everything Bethesda improves upon, they dumb down.
    The dialogue system was just a joke this time around, and while it wasn't perfect in F3, it was at least passable.
    The Stats system has been dumbed down, it messes together too many things that take away from the role-playing experience. Instead of spreading out your character with each level up, you're now forced into choosing a perk or skill per level and that's just not what should happen in a role-playing game.
    The overall side missions lack any world that F3 was at least trying to build. Some settlements in F3 gave me at least an impression of what the World is like, but F4 kind of just throws that all away in favour of shooting your way through Dungeons.
    The writing falls flat in so many places, at least F3 could be excused as being Bethesda's first attempt at a Fallout game, but since then, we've had a spin-off and time to at least get it right. Hell, F3 got Fallout more right than F4.

    But, the game does have a better story, I actually felt there were some missions which I thought were great. The whole mission where you go into the mind of Kellogg, that was actually pretty good and felt like someone else wrote that portion.
    The twist we saw a mile away, but it still could have worked if we spent more time in that pre-war era, instead that whole scene came off as completely pointless.
    The gun play is improved upon a lot, it's now not as clunky and it feels great to play.
    The environments look amazing, it's what I enjoyed most about Fallout 3.
    Some of the things you find like the little hidden stories in terminals and holotapes are actually pretty good, why couldn't we get more of this in the main story?
    The companions have personality this time, they have finally improved from Fallout 3 (where the only person who really seemed to give a fuck was Fawkes).
    Choosing a faction to side with, yes Bethesda, take more notes from good games.
    While I don't care much for it, we get crafting in this game, yes, improve more.
    Power Armour actually feels right this time around.

    And that's what I can think off of the top of my head.
    In all honesty, it's a shame that the two main things that really kill it for me is the dialogue system and the ending. If it weren't for those two, I would be able to disguinish my praises clearer than F3, but as it is, I have a hard time over looking the game's faults.
     
  6. ZigzagPX4

    ZigzagPX4 The Swiftness of the Ranger

    Nov 22, 2015
    Fallout 3, while a bad Fallout game, was still more of a Fallout game than Fallout 4. Choice and consequences, tone and themes, and overall plot.

    But Fallout 4, rated on its own as a game standing out against other games in the industry, was a better game than Fallout 3. Combat gameplay, settlements building, crafting mechanics, etc.

    Both rank below all the other ones as a Fallout game (with the exception of that one which I will not speak of). But that's not the point, because we're comparing them against each other. So here goes.

    Fallout 3 was the better Fallout but Fallout 4 was the better game. There. That's probably all the needs to be said.
     
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  7. Theinnerfish

    Theinnerfish Storytelling skeleton

    239
    Jul 25, 2015
    Actually i disagree because dialogs, quests, player freedom and leveling system are all worse than Fallout 3. Only thing Fallout 4 is better at is combat gameplay and that's it.

    I can't believe i'm defending F3......
     
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  8. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Honestly, I have to agree here. While I never really had fun, I can recognise half assed and simplistic choices and dialogue and Fallout 3 has it.
     
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  9. ZigzagPX4

    ZigzagPX4 The Swiftness of the Ranger

    Nov 22, 2015
    All of the points you mentioned are not requirements for a game to be fun. A game can be fun wjthout dialogs, quests, player freedom, etc. I said a good game, not a good RPG, and definitely not a good Fallout.

    Don't say that the popularity of Fallout 4 doesn't prove anything. It does. A game is popular because it's fun. A game can sell on 95% hype and 5% content but not solely on hype alone. Fallout 4 has its positive points. Literally no game in the world does not. Not even Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.

    Every game is redeemable. Every game has a reason why people enjoy it. It's easier write them all off as people who enjoy dumb entertainment or gets pleased easily. It's not that simple, it never is.

    Fallout 4 is a good game. It is functional interactive entertainment that a lot of people enjoy. Whether it's a quality game or not is a different matter. A game serves to entertain and it does that. Let's be serious, over all the satirical mockery, the fueled hatred, the bashing. Fallout 4 did not sell on advertisements, bribes, and stupidity. By way of common sense, nothing can.
     
  10. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    I don't know, we can ascertain if a game is good by seeing what they aimed for and if they did well or failed. Fallout 4 was marketed as a deep and diverse RPG with lot's of C&C, yet when it was released it was just a open world shooter. It may be a good game, but on terms of what the developers 'said' they aimed for, it failed badly.
     
  11. ZigzagPX4

    ZigzagPX4 The Swiftness of the Ranger

    Nov 22, 2015
    Well, if the game simply fails to do what it set out to do and isn't what the game was marketed as, it is more of a "misleading advertisements" issue than "game fails to entertainment people at all" issue, isn't it?

    In which case, we get to where a lot of Bethfans stand, which is that they know well Fallout 4 is an open world loot and shoot, and not an RPG. This is why they are able to enjoy it. Not because they're idiots. They just ignore the label saying Fallout 4 is supposed to be an RPG. I went into Fallout 4 hoping for it to surpass points of New Vegas. It did none. But it competed with the Far Cry series pretty well. And Borderlands. So arguably, it's a good game that can stand.

    But even the lowest of low, argument-loving "Bethfan troll" knows for a fact that Fallout 4 is a bad Fallout game. The sole group of people that says that are the ones who have never heard of Fallout before the fourth one. In which case, just tell them, and if they don't care, tough.

    Saying Fallout 4 is a bad game just makes one look biased and the other will disagree anyways. Saying it is a good game, but a horrible RPG and a horrible addition to the franchise, will turn more ears than simply saying it is a bad game, even if the other disagrees anyway.

    So yes, it's better to say that Fallout 4 is a good game. It is not once said that it is a better game than the other Fallouts, nor is it a good Fallout game, nor is it a balanced and well-written RPG, nor does it do what it sets out to do.
     
  12. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    If this game is a "good" game then what makes it one? I sure didn't see anything that made me want to say that and it didn't even keep my interest for that long. If it was the perks, those were boring stat dumps with percentage increases, if it was difficulty you were in bullet sponge valley without difficulty fixing mods, if it was combat I'd have to say it got boring quick, if it was quests then again a bunch of boring radiant quests, if it was graphics not only did it run like shit but the textures are dated, and if it's the characters then I'd have to say even cardboard cutouts have more personality.
    I've even seen some Bethesfans on the forums disliking the game which is quite shocking.
     
  13. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    True, now I look at it... what's good about the game? There's nothing good about it itself, every feature is shitty in some way.
     
  14. Tom Bishop

    Tom Bishop It Wandered In From the Wastes

    117
    Dec 12, 2015
    F4 is greater than the sum of its parts. All Bethesda games are, really.
     
  15. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Fallout 4 is only better when it comes to exploiting people with addiction problems.
     
  16. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Does that mean mods?

    "Modders will fix it"
     
  17. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Dedman oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    We can achieve more if we band together and fix their broken shit? No thanks.
     
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  18. gizmo

    gizmo First time out of the vault

    4
    Jan 19, 2016
    It depends on what you believe a game should be is it an experience or an act ? Gameplay vs plot. Is being in the game more interesting or experiencing the game more interesting ? On plot it's fallout 3 absolutely, on immersion the way it compels you to go further it's fallout 3, on characters fallout 3, on graphics fallout 4, on gunplay fallout 4, on the loot system fallout 4, enemies fallout 3 (the behemoths), on leveling system I like fallout 4 because of it's simplicity but fallout 3 has its role playing elements more grounded, general exploration fallout 4. So the clear winner is fallout new vegas
     
  19. Theinnerfish

    Theinnerfish Storytelling skeleton

    239
    Jul 25, 2015
    Thing is without RPG elements Bethesda games are not much different than Shadow of Mordor, GTA: V, Far Cry, Dishonored etc. Fallout 4 has a better game world than almost every game but even then it's only slightly better. Fallout 4's Boston is not as plausable or realistic as Los Santos or not as interactive as Mordor. Also it has the smallest map.

    Every game i mentioned above have much better combat mechanics and even better leveling systems. While action games are getting more complicated and nuanced each year; for some reason RPGs keep getting dumbed down and now we reached a point that some action games are one step away from becoming decent(ish) RPGs while RPGs already are decent(ish) action adventure games.

    I regulary play Fallout 4 and it's my new time grinder after a long days work. However it's simply not as fun as Skyrim or Fallout 3(i don't even need to mention Fallout, Fallout 2 or New Vegas here and i don't like Fallout 2). If i had time and energy for social life(or any friends in this provincial town i'm living at), i wouldn't even remember Fallout 4 exists. When i can't look at another case or read another cursed law book i play it as if i'm watching TV to relax and Fallout 4 is lucky for i don't have a TV...
     
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  20. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    The gameplay should be balanced with the plot, but that also depends on the time of game it is. An RPG should have an overarching story, unlike a shooter.