Spacemunkey
Vault Senior Citizen
More likely because I saw you admitted to being associated with this site.
I got suspended from Bethesda forums.
Probably because I dared to call someone a hypocrite when they were in fact being a hypocrite.
Fallout 4 DLC revealed
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MercenarySnake
Kept you waiting huh?
Heh moderators removing comments criticizing the game and banning people for it too, how sad.
Can't allow that valid criticism interrupt the massive circlejerking going on.
Can't allow that valid criticism interrupt the massive circlejerking going on.
Earth
Vault Senior Citizen
I got suspended from Bethesda forums.
Probably because I dared to call someone a hypocrite when they were in fact being a hypocrite.
They suspended you? Jesus.
Irwin John Finster
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Battlefront, a game with 3.4 user score, won best action game.
Fallout 4, a game with 5.4 user score along with the WORST CRITIC SCORE OF ANY BETHESDA ELDER SCROLLS OR FALLOUT GAME, won best whatever the F*** "award."
It's all marketing masquerading as awards. No need to get your jimmies rustled. Only people who are determined fanboys actually assume these awards mean anything other than an advertisement saying "Fallout 4 is a game and it has DLC coming out!"
Anyone who thinks Fallout 4 is "best RPG" doesn't even deserve a seat at the discussion table to begin with. These are the people who think boring upgrade systems and repetitive looting and weapon upgrades are what makes an RPG, and don't even know that RPG stands for "role-playing game."
Fallout 4, a game with 5.4 user score along with the WORST CRITIC SCORE OF ANY BETHESDA ELDER SCROLLS OR FALLOUT GAME, won best whatever the F*** "award."
It's all marketing masquerading as awards. No need to get your jimmies rustled. Only people who are determined fanboys actually assume these awards mean anything other than an advertisement saying "Fallout 4 is a game and it has DLC coming out!"
Anyone who thinks Fallout 4 is "best RPG" doesn't even deserve a seat at the discussion table to begin with. These are the people who think boring upgrade systems and repetitive looting and weapon upgrades are what makes an RPG, and don't even know that RPG stands for "role-playing game."
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MercenarySnake
Kept you waiting huh?
Fixed that for you
Oh geeh, a shallow cash grab title which tries to please whatever focus group is the designated target by the marketing department for last year with an overhyped advertisement campaign wins an award from an institution I barely know off and whose relevance to the gaming industry I question. (The Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences definitely doesn't seem to represent all gamers)
It can be canonized by the Pope for all I fucking care or get a Nobel Price award for Peace, it doesn't change a thing for me or anyone who is critical about what they buy, read, or play.
If the masses are so insecure about if their latest toy is not the best toy ever for the year and need some award to take away uncertainty it says more about their taste and opinion.
Mudguy47
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Yeah the people over on that forum are a little too sensitive and get their little pussys hurt all the time. That's why there are so many "taboo" topics and moderators always have to step in.
I mean basically the fact that your Dragonborn can sell his soul to all of the existing gods and then some, and one one will care. Imagine if one of them Deadras or what ever they are called comes out, hey? Wait a min. Havn't you sold your soul/body/brain already to someone? Get out of my temple! Hah. That would be at least fun. I know you there is never really choice in any of the quests you do. I am just saying.
You're supposed to make your own hubs now
! Yaaay for ... settlement maker ... Fallout 5 will come with a generator where you make your own game eventually :/
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Let me clarify, when I said banned I meant temp-banned.
You get 4 strikes you get perm-banned.
I had 1, this will earn me another strike.
So either way it's a dick move.
Yeah I checked the reason for why I was banned:
"You have received a warning and a 7 day suspension from posting for derailing this topic with abusive and flamebaiting remarks and for using vulgar language in your profile."
Derailing the topic? The topic was about the Dice Awards, I called out the awards for their lack of professionalism, that is not derailing a thread.
Abusive and flamebaiting remarks? So if someone is being a hypocrite them I'm not allowed to call them out on it? Fucking hypocrites.
Vulgar language in my profile? What... Why the fuck does that even matter? What the hell does that have to do with my post in the first place!?
I had doubts before about whether or not Bethesda forums had gone corrupt but this just confirms it for me. They were looking desperately for any modicum of reasoning to silence dissent. (Fine! 7 days suspension. But it will also earn me a strike, 4 strikes and I get permabanned, and I'd still call a suspension a temporary ban from interacting with the forum in any way.) I mean seriously? Derailing the thread? So what they're saying is that the thread is only allowed to be positive and if anyone says something negative that could spark a more deeper and meaningful discussion then that's not allowed. And abusive and flamebaiting? Just fuck off. And vulgar language in my profile? Uh, no? the profile page auto-censors vulgar language and I don't care enough about being BLEEPED that I'd work around it so no fucking way that it had vulgar language on it in the first place but even if it did then this was a weak fucking excuse to try and gather up as much as they could to "justify" giving me a strike and a temp-ban.
Fuck that forum with barbed wire.
You get 4 strikes you get perm-banned.
I had 1, this will earn me another strike.
So either way it's a dick move.
Yeah I checked the reason for why I was banned:
"You have received a warning and a 7 day suspension from posting for derailing this topic with abusive and flamebaiting remarks and for using vulgar language in your profile."
Derailing the topic? The topic was about the Dice Awards, I called out the awards for their lack of professionalism, that is not derailing a thread.
Abusive and flamebaiting remarks? So if someone is being a hypocrite them I'm not allowed to call them out on it? Fucking hypocrites.
Vulgar language in my profile? What... Why the fuck does that even matter? What the hell does that have to do with my post in the first place!?
I had doubts before about whether or not Bethesda forums had gone corrupt but this just confirms it for me. They were looking desperately for any modicum of reasoning to silence dissent. (Fine! 7 days suspension. But it will also earn me a strike, 4 strikes and I get permabanned, and I'd still call a suspension a temporary ban from interacting with the forum in any way.) I mean seriously? Derailing the thread? So what they're saying is that the thread is only allowed to be positive and if anyone says something negative that could spark a more deeper and meaningful discussion then that's not allowed. And abusive and flamebaiting? Just fuck off. And vulgar language in my profile? Uh, no? the profile page auto-censors vulgar language and I don't care enough about being BLEEPED that I'd work around it so no fucking way that it had vulgar language on it in the first place but even if it did then this was a weak fucking excuse to try and gather up as much as they could to "justify" giving me a strike and a temp-ban.
Fuck that forum with barbed wire.
Eh, forget about it. Who gives a fuck? You are among friends now *comfort hugs*
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Oh I don't really care if I do get banned. I just like how blatant their 'safe space' is becoming and felt like pointing it out. I might sound like I'm offended but that's just the way I talk/type, lots of swearwords. Not the best of traits to be honest but it is what it is. 
whirlingdervish
Brahmin Cavalry Commander
Here's one thing to remember when dealing with the Beth fanboy crowd:
They spend countless hours playing Fallout 4, and thinking it is good.
What can you possibly say or do to them, that has more far reaching implications and potential for harm, than what they are already doing to themselves?
They spend countless hours playing Fallout 4, and thinking it is good.
What can you possibly say or do to them, that has more far reaching implications and potential for harm, than what they are already doing to themselves?
T
TorontoReign
Guest
The people I know that like it have no illusions of it being a RPG. They consider it a FPS like Borderlands.
Well to be fair, despite of all the complaining and whining we display here. We have to be realistic. The number of "Beth drones" and "Beth fanatics" is really very low, if you compare it to all the people that play and enjoy most Beth games. We are talking about millions of people here.
The truth, I guess, is that most players simply don't give a flying fuck about Beth, Fallout or what we think Fallout should be. If Beth sells their games now as RPG, shooter, or some kind of hybrid. If it is a deep game or not, if the story has lots of choices and so on. You get the picture.
But you can't really blame them anyway, the normal gamer I mean. Some of us have spend years with Fallout, and we simply love it. Everyone, what ever if he admits it or not, is a fan of something.
I believe, for most people, Fallout 3 and 4 now, are just like the next thing that is super awesome fun and a great time waster till the next CoD or Borderlands clone comes out. I mean it got 9 out of 10! It got 5 goty awards no one ever really cared about in the first place. So it must a great game. Right?
As harsh as this sounds, and I really don't mean that to offend anyone, but those gamers are like locusts. But their food, is entertainment. And they move from one form of entertainment to the next. CoD Yesterday, Mass Effect tomorrow, and if that isn't entertaining, they move to, what ever else is popular. That isn't even so much the proble though. Well not for me. I mean, as long we are talking about CoD. Some games always had the mass market as target. And that's ok! I am not complaining about the fact that CoD is CoD and that it can sell millions of copies. Or Battlefield for that matter.
But the real problem is in my opinion, when a company like Bethesda is buying something like Fallout, and turning it in to a franken-shooter. Even though, that was never the original idea behind the game.
And THEN you have people coming in here explaining how we are full of shit, because are just oldschool, and Beth is making "real" RPGs or what ever ...
The truth, I guess, is that most players simply don't give a flying fuck about Beth, Fallout or what we think Fallout should be. If Beth sells their games now as RPG, shooter, or some kind of hybrid. If it is a deep game or not, if the story has lots of choices and so on. You get the picture.
But you can't really blame them anyway, the normal gamer I mean. Some of us have spend years with Fallout, and we simply love it. Everyone, what ever if he admits it or not, is a fan of something.
I believe, for most people, Fallout 3 and 4 now, are just like the next thing that is super awesome fun and a great time waster till the next CoD or Borderlands clone comes out. I mean it got 9 out of 10! It got 5 goty awards no one ever really cared about in the first place. So it must a great game. Right?
As harsh as this sounds, and I really don't mean that to offend anyone, but those gamers are like locusts. But their food, is entertainment. And they move from one form of entertainment to the next. CoD Yesterday, Mass Effect tomorrow, and if that isn't entertaining, they move to, what ever else is popular. That isn't even so much the proble though. Well not for me. I mean, as long we are talking about CoD. Some games always had the mass market as target. And that's ok! I am not complaining about the fact that CoD is CoD and that it can sell millions of copies. Or Battlefield for that matter.
But the real problem is in my opinion, when a company like Bethesda is buying something like Fallout, and turning it in to a franken-shooter. Even though, that was never the original idea behind the game.
And THEN you have people coming in here explaining how we are full of shit, because are just oldschool, and Beth is making "real" RPGs or what ever ...
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
This is my first time posting on here. I figured I just had to say something about this. I've been a Bethesda fan for a really long time. I started with the "worst" of both the Elder Scrolls and Fallout, starting with Fallout 3 and Skyrim. I then worked my way down to Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas, and then Oblivion and Morrowind.
Like pretty much everyone else here I can imagine, I grew to love Fallout New Vegas more than Fallout 3, and Morrowind over Skyrim. Unlike a lot of you guys, I actually don't mind Fallout 3 and Skyrim being dumbed down compared to earlier/later entries in the franchises. I feel they were both fairly solid. At the very least, they had RPG elements in them.
Fallout 4 is where I hit a brick wall. In the week leading up to Fallout 4, I not only preordered it but bought the Season Pass as well. I thought "there's no way Bethesda can screw this up!" In order to hype myself even more, I played through the entirety of New Vegas during that week leading up to the 10th, unlocking all the achievements for the game so I wouldn't have the urge to go back and play it some more instead of Fallout 4. Now what am I doing right now, 3-4 months later? I'm still playing New Vegas, and Fallout 4 is gathering dust on my Steam account. 65 dollars wasted. (40 for FO4 and 25 for the season pass)
I just couldn't believe how much was missing, especially after playing through New Vegas fully at least twice before the launch. Gone were meaningful choices in missions! Gone were SPECIAL dialogue that actually affected the outcome of a mission! (such as in New Vegas how with a high enough speech check you literally don't have to kill a single person on any of the missions, there is ALWAYS a peaceful solution, even during the final bosses, Lanius or Oliver) I think my most hated feature missing from the previous games was that you can't be evil. At all. There's no Caesar's Legion to join, there's no nuking Megaton, there's no joining Slavers to take over the wasteland by selling everyone for profit, there's no helping cannibals return to their roots, etc etc. The most you get is drug-running, helping druggies, and maybe shooting up a settlement or 2 with the BOS.
Hell, the only part of Fallout 4 I can say I truly enjoyed were the companions. (please don't shoot me) I know plenty of people seem to think they lack characterization, and I'll say they don't hold much of a candle to New Vegas's companions, they still hold a place in my heart. I love me some Nick Valentine. I will say the Romance system is complete shit though and left 0 impact on me. There were also some quests that I really did like, such as The Silver Shroud and getting that beer robot. (Buddy I think?)
I guess the point I'm trying to make here is: I'm sorry. I'm sorry for being part of the problem. I'm sorry for being one of those idiots that not only preordered this game but preordered it with the season pass as well because I thought Bethesda was the Second Coming of Christ Himself. (Don't worry though, I didn't get the Pipboy edition) I know better now. I don't think I'll ever buy a game from Bethesda again. I guess now all I can do is wait for the DLC to come out and try it. Sometimes, if I imagine Fallout 4 isn't a Fallout game, I can have a good time with it. I like being able to go Charisma 10 and make literally everyone my pack mule/slave/pet with the click of a button. It just really speaks volumes to me that, instead of sinking my teeth into a brand new Fallout game, 4 months after this new game's release I'm still playing New Vegas, a game I've beaten over 10 times now and I'm still enjoying, over the shiny new game that I should be enjoying but can't because it's a piece of shit.
Like pretty much everyone else here I can imagine, I grew to love Fallout New Vegas more than Fallout 3, and Morrowind over Skyrim. Unlike a lot of you guys, I actually don't mind Fallout 3 and Skyrim being dumbed down compared to earlier/later entries in the franchises. I feel they were both fairly solid. At the very least, they had RPG elements in them.
Fallout 4 is where I hit a brick wall. In the week leading up to Fallout 4, I not only preordered it but bought the Season Pass as well. I thought "there's no way Bethesda can screw this up!" In order to hype myself even more, I played through the entirety of New Vegas during that week leading up to the 10th, unlocking all the achievements for the game so I wouldn't have the urge to go back and play it some more instead of Fallout 4. Now what am I doing right now, 3-4 months later? I'm still playing New Vegas, and Fallout 4 is gathering dust on my Steam account. 65 dollars wasted. (40 for FO4 and 25 for the season pass)
I just couldn't believe how much was missing, especially after playing through New Vegas fully at least twice before the launch. Gone were meaningful choices in missions! Gone were SPECIAL dialogue that actually affected the outcome of a mission! (such as in New Vegas how with a high enough speech check you literally don't have to kill a single person on any of the missions, there is ALWAYS a peaceful solution, even during the final bosses, Lanius or Oliver) I think my most hated feature missing from the previous games was that you can't be evil. At all. There's no Caesar's Legion to join, there's no nuking Megaton, there's no joining Slavers to take over the wasteland by selling everyone for profit, there's no helping cannibals return to their roots, etc etc. The most you get is drug-running, helping druggies, and maybe shooting up a settlement or 2 with the BOS.
Hell, the only part of Fallout 4 I can say I truly enjoyed were the companions. (please don't shoot me) I know plenty of people seem to think they lack characterization, and I'll say they don't hold much of a candle to New Vegas's companions, they still hold a place in my heart. I love me some Nick Valentine. I will say the Romance system is complete shit though and left 0 impact on me. There were also some quests that I really did like, such as The Silver Shroud and getting that beer robot. (Buddy I think?)
I guess the point I'm trying to make here is: I'm sorry. I'm sorry for being part of the problem. I'm sorry for being one of those idiots that not only preordered this game but preordered it with the season pass as well because I thought Bethesda was the Second Coming of Christ Himself. (Don't worry though, I didn't get the Pipboy edition) I know better now. I don't think I'll ever buy a game from Bethesda again. I guess now all I can do is wait for the DLC to come out and try it. Sometimes, if I imagine Fallout 4 isn't a Fallout game, I can have a good time with it. I like being able to go Charisma 10 and make literally everyone my pack mule/slave/pet with the click of a button. It just really speaks volumes to me that, instead of sinking my teeth into a brand new Fallout game, 4 months after this new game's release I'm still playing New Vegas, a game I've beaten over 10 times now and I'm still enjoying, over the shiny new game that I should be enjoying but can't because it's a piece of shit.
Stelios Sigalas
First time out of the vault
not bad 
Lanfear
Mildly Dipped
The problem isn't people who buy these games and are disappointed by them, it's the ones who ceaselessly lap this shit up, worship the companies that produce them, and ruthlessly attack anyone who dares question them.
Anyway, welcome to the cynical part of the Internet. Things around here are a bit sour, but better to be critical than to blindly lick boot all day long.
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
I think allot of NMA members are in the same boat, I am at least. Don't say you're part of the problem Lanfear is right, it's the weirdos who get into the tribal mentality and begin mindlessly defending a product that isn't theirs, they're 'the problem'!