Hahahaha. Oh boy.
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Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
@SnapSlav Good to know where we are standing. I believe that I was answering your question, at the same time I was critizicing it, but I'll do it more clearly so that there are no mistakes.
Easy, there is no relation in scorning idiots who think they're better than others because of their atheism/cynism and the "subjectivism" in my quotes, on the contrary most atheist/cynics are objectivists. Being more "subjective" as you call the fact that I acknowlodge my own ignorance, leaves open options for, lets call them "religious things", to existis. Unless you believe I feel myself superior to others for the "subjectivism" in my quotes, wich I don't. In fact being so open to posibilities also acknowlodges the posibility of them to be "right" too, don't you think?
Also it enervates me to see people acknowlodging there is no god and no afterlife and that we all are on death row the moment we are born and both being proud about it and feeling superior to others, I think that if they really realized the seriousness of what they are saying they should feel if anything distressed and envious of the ignorance of religious people, people who some times I wonder if they are really ignorant or posses some knowlodge now lost to the rest of us or impossible to understand with our logically restricted and castrated minds.
Here I'm talking about people who really understand religion, not people who just follow it because someone else told them, the same with those who call themselves atheists and cynics and don't really understand the concept no matter how many times they say it outloud, it is probably the same people who think "death happens to others, not me" or "it will happen years from now, why worry" or "enjoy life while it lasts" while they sedate themselves with television and video games instead of asking themselves the hard questions, and then one day after watching countless movies and playing countless video games they get old and die in the confort of knowing they spawned new creatures who they just pulled out of nothingness into existance and condemned them to the same fate as theirs.
Sorry if I got carried away, I start thinking and then new ideas (or ways of saying the same thing) appear. XD
Easy, there is no relation in scorning idiots who think they're better than others because of their atheism/cynism and the "subjectivism" in my quotes, on the contrary most atheist/cynics are objectivists. Being more "subjective" as you call the fact that I acknowlodge my own ignorance, leaves open options for, lets call them "religious things", to existis. Unless you believe I feel myself superior to others for the "subjectivism" in my quotes, wich I don't. In fact being so open to posibilities also acknowlodges the posibility of them to be "right" too, don't you think?
Also it enervates me to see people acknowlodging there is no god and no afterlife and that we all are on death row the moment we are born and both being proud about it and feeling superior to others, I think that if they really realized the seriousness of what they are saying they should feel if anything distressed and envious of the ignorance of religious people, people who some times I wonder if they are really ignorant or posses some knowlodge now lost to the rest of us or impossible to understand with our logically restricted and castrated minds.
Here I'm talking about people who really understand religion, not people who just follow it because someone else told them, the same with those who call themselves atheists and cynics and don't really understand the concept no matter how many times they say it outloud, it is probably the same people who think "death happens to others, not me" or "it will happen years from now, why worry" or "enjoy life while it lasts" while they sedate themselves with television and video games instead of asking themselves the hard questions, and then one day after watching countless movies and playing countless video games they get old and die in the confort of knowing they spawned new creatures who they just pulled out of nothingness into existance and condemned them to the same fate as theirs.
Sorry if I got carried away, I start thinking and then new ideas (or ways of saying the same thing) appear. XD
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Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Well so I haven't updated my Fan art thread in like 20 years, and I've been practicing but I don't think it merits an update or a new thread until I have at least the first chapter of the comic. So here goes just a character concept:
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
Trying to win a religious debate on the Internet is like trying to perform a 100 metre sprint through quick sand.
You just can't.
So I'll just say this.
Atheism is subject to extremists as much as Christianity or any other religion is, and usually they're just as insufferable.
I personally am Agnostic, I hold the belief that as a Human being I have absolutely no idea of the inner workings of the Universe and I think it's naive to assume anyone knows for definite all the answers, Science has been proven wrong, corrected and re-written a dozen times (generally speaking of course.) and Religion has it's own fair share of issues. Whether there is a God or not, I don't know. If there was, there's no possible way of knowing other than some sort of grand divine intervention. So, for me there's one answer to whether there's a God or afterlife: I'll find out when I get there.
Since I decided on this belief, I avoid being directly involved in Religious debates and am out of the firing range when it comes to the shit-flinging between belief systems. I've been a Hell of a lot better off because of it too, in fact I highly recommend it.
Don't do Political or Religious Debates kiddos:It's bad for your and everyone else's well being and sanity.
You just can't.
So I'll just say this.
Atheism is subject to extremists as much as Christianity or any other religion is, and usually they're just as insufferable.
I personally am Agnostic, I hold the belief that as a Human being I have absolutely no idea of the inner workings of the Universe and I think it's naive to assume anyone knows for definite all the answers, Science has been proven wrong, corrected and re-written a dozen times (generally speaking of course.) and Religion has it's own fair share of issues. Whether there is a God or not, I don't know. If there was, there's no possible way of knowing other than some sort of grand divine intervention. So, for me there's one answer to whether there's a God or afterlife: I'll find out when I get there.
Since I decided on this belief, I avoid being directly involved in Religious debates and am out of the firing range when it comes to the shit-flinging between belief systems. I've been a Hell of a lot better off because of it too, in fact I highly recommend it.
Don't do Political or Religious Debates kiddos:It's bad for your and everyone else's well being and sanity.
SnapSlav
NMA's local DotA fanatic
That's just silly. I feel like those kinds of attitudes are really just avoiding issues, not an actual statement of how things are. People by and large may be set in their own ways, but that doesn't make conversation and enlightenment a foregone impossibility. The widespread nature of access provided by the internet means one can cast a net large enough to eventually find fulfilling debate. Apropo, that would mean the quick sand pit would be exactly that, a pit; one you can sidestep and traverse through much more vast areas of solid ground.
That just doesn't jive with Serbs. We MUST discuss religion and politics. It's the grindstone that keeps our wits and sanity sharp.
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TorontoReign
Guest
Not really. Most people feel strongly about religion and politics, so those issues are easy to stir up debate when talked about, as long as no one is being rude or troll-like, I think it is acceptable to talk of such things.
One of my favorite quotes.
"Every person who chooses the service of God as his life's work has something in common. I don't care if you're a preacher, a priest, a nun, a rabbi or a Buddhist monk. Many, many times during your life you will look at your reflection in a mirror and ask yourself: am I a fool? "
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
And I wasn't really trying to "win" any kind of argument, I was just expressing my own views on religion in a douchy and abrasive manner, that's different. I even ended with a "whatever floats your boat man" type of message in regards to deciding to follow a religion.
Akratus
Bleep bloop.
Rads for that!
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
So, Cartoon Network killed the best superhero show right in the middle of the story, and then they made this. At least Kaldur didn'tgo out gentle, too bad it's probably gonna end up sucking anyway.
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SnapSlav
NMA's local DotA fanatic
Sounds very fatalistic of you. Or maybe even nihilistic. Or maybe you were just listing possibilities, not that you were stating they were your own conclusions. Those are just yet more philosophy I file away with many others, like optimism, as something not worth my time. I COULD restrict myself to the concept of my inevitability, but that's exactly all that it would amount to: a restriction. What fatalism/nihilism fails to grasp is the lack of an understanding of foregone conclusions. They fixate on the things they know lie ahead and are unavoidable, our invariably inescapable deaths, and ignore all of the unforeseen, unknowable aspects of everything else. It's on the same side of the coin that places value in "ends justify the means", because all it sees are the two points on a plain, beginning and end. It doesn't register the rest of the plain itself.
It's an outlook where I find myself on the same page as those cynics you mentioned who cannot comprehend the minds of "true believers". That is to say, I don't get it. How does one delude themselves into believing everything will turn out alright, or that everything has a positive flipside? I don't get it. How does one gut their human experience to a cynical outlook of finality and immeasurability? I don't get it. How does one take their faith and transcribe it into a statement of murderous justification? I don't get it. These are all different philosophies and ideologies which have little in common with each other, with the single exception that they are some of many of all kinds of different ways of interpreting our lives which I simply don't get.
The funny thing about your comment of wondering if true believers "posses some [knowledge] now lost to the rest of us or impossible to understand with our [...] minds" is that, it's absolutely true. Wish I could remember where I learned it, but scans of brains of religious/spiritualistic/agnostic individuals and scans of brains of atheists found one common trend only found among the atheists: they lacked brain activity where others had it. Like how a blind person develops superior hearing because their brain dedicates its otherwise obsolete retinal resources to those signals it can still work with, or a brain born with a condition that makes it impossible to read and understand the subtleties of human interpersonal chemistry, whether our brains have activity in certain areas or not is a huge part of who we are and, most importantly, what we are capable of. The former are relatively "normal" individuals simply compensating for what they've lost, and the latter are individuals who never had a "normal" quality to begin with, and it would not be inappropriate to say that they're "abnormal" as a consequence of that. Barring aside the incredibly short-termed importance of concepts such as "what is normal", at least in terms of human physiology, there are tendencies for a standard medium, in which the outliers are fairly labeled as that: outliers. Rounding down all that rhetoric to the salient point (cause I get wrapped up in thought exercises and tangents if I don't stop myself) is that, yes, atheists "lost the knowledge" of something most other human beings innately possess. They're biologically inept, in a sense. They are, appropriately enough, as you said so yourself, "castrated".
But acknowledgement of a lack in brain activity is, like the cynics you highlight who use their own choices to elevate themselves upon arbitrary pedestals, not to be confused with tangible personal superiority. Like I said earlier, I am no hypocrite, and I endeavor to keep myself consistent. If I were to feel superior because I still possess brain functions that atheists lack, I would be simultaneously putting myself down as inferior, because I am one of those types I mentioned in my earlier examples: I lack the cognitive functions to identify normal human interaction... I was just born that way. To take all this stipulation and ideological parambulation and wind it down into an idea that actually makes sense (if perhaps at the cost of reducing it to something unnecessarily simplistic): "life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you'll get." =D
BigBoss
Your Local Scrub
So, haven't been on awhile now that I got a job (and I mean a real job. As much as I like writing, I highly doubt my Fallout novel is going to pay my bills when it's done.... especially since it's free. If I tried to sell it Bethesda would sue me for all the ramen noodle packets in my cabinet, and I REALLY need those ramen noodles right now. I can't go back to eating plain spam out of a can, I won't do it man, I just won't!), but it's interesting to see this conversation is still going, and hilarious to see what it's transformed into.
This has gotta be an NMA record within the past five years or so.
This has gotta be an NMA record within the past five years or so.
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TorontoReign
Guest
I think General Discussion has needed a thread like this for awhile. A place to shoot the shit about whatever floats your boat. Heh.
As for your Carton Network comment Walpknut, DC hasn't had the best track record lately. They killed off a couple of their good shows and replaced them with shitty shows. To be fair, at least they have decent series/animated movies for their comic book heroes; Marvel has pretty much "kiddified" all of their animated series and canceled the one or two good ones. The Ultimate movies they put out were very good, but apparently they didn't do very well. The Earths Mightiest Heroes Avengers series that ran for two seasons was one of the best I have seen in years, yet they killed it after the second season.
As for your Carton Network comment Walpknut, DC hasn't had the best track record lately. They killed off a couple of their good shows and replaced them with shitty shows. To be fair, at least they have decent series/animated movies for their comic book heroes; Marvel has pretty much "kiddified" all of their animated series and canceled the one or two good ones. The Ultimate movies they put out were very good, but apparently they didn't do very well. The Earths Mightiest Heroes Avengers series that ran for two seasons was one of the best I have seen in years, yet they killed it after the second season.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
I still miss Young Justice, all the things that it never got to do, and all the ones it managed to do as an animated series without being an "adult" cartoon. CN actively hindered it with random hiatuses and schedule changes. Now all we have is a Newgrounds cartoon based on an overrated show from a decade ago....
Akratus
Bleep bloop.
I watched the first episode, seems like a thing for teens, but a waste of time for an adult. Sorry if I'm frank, that's just how I remember feeling about it.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Well, judging it on one episode alone is pretty pointless. They actually built a whole working DC universe with the League and the villains. It also had a constantly evolving story line with conspiracies and the like. It starts with them as teenagers but by the end of Season 2 Robin was already Nightwing.
Akratus
Bleep bloop.
It's not really my style, but putting that aside, I think you should make the hair a bit bigger. It seems way too flat at the moment. The one on the right also blushes a bit too much I think, and the sides of her face are too wide and go up a little too high. But I totally get how much of a bitch faces are to get right. Hell, human bodies in general.
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
What's with all the Children's Super-Hero cartoons nowadays relying on silly/cut-back lolsorandumb type humor so heavily? I watched a bit of the "Ultimate Spider-Man" Cartoon with one of my younger family members and it was atrociously bad, it was if the show itself had ADD.
Not to sound like one of those people, but I recall watching a really awesome Spider-Man animated series when I was younger,and having rewatched some of the episodes recently I realize how good it actually was, for a kids show it had some fairly complex storylines and it actually managed to introduce some of the weirder and wonderful aspects of the Marvel Comics Universe into the show fairly well, and it ended on one huge cliffhanger.
It might sound like me talking with nostalgia goggles firmly latched on, but watch this intro and tell me it's not the most awesome kid's cartoon intro ever:
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Do I need to remind all y'all of how EXTREME and RAD the late 90's were?
Seriously though, the intro to Bob Morane was great.
And nothing beats the japanese X Men intro in terms of pure fuckin' POWER METAL.
/edit: I really need to watch Extreme Ghostbusters again. Everyone says that it's total garbage, but I respectfully disagree. It's just so immensely 90's it hurts.
Grunge-y slacker with a goatee? Check. Wheelchair-bound jock who does stunts and tricks? Check. Black mechanic whiz? You know it. Super smart white goth girl voiced by Tara Strong? Holy fuckin' shit Friendship is fucking Magic. Oh, and let's not forget Egon Spengler with a ponytail. Because that's how 1997 rolled. Fucking glorious. Everybody should watch it, like, right now.
"Something ecto this way came". 'nuff said.
Seriously though, the intro to Bob Morane was great.
And nothing beats the japanese X Men intro in terms of pure fuckin' POWER METAL.
/edit: I really need to watch Extreme Ghostbusters again. Everyone says that it's total garbage, but I respectfully disagree. It's just so immensely 90's it hurts.
Grunge-y slacker with a goatee? Check. Wheelchair-bound jock who does stunts and tricks? Check. Black mechanic whiz? You know it. Super smart white goth girl voiced by Tara Strong? Holy fuckin' shit Friendship is fucking Magic. Oh, and let's not forget Egon Spengler with a ponytail. Because that's how 1997 rolled. Fucking glorious. Everybody should watch it, like, right now.
"Something ecto this way came". 'nuff said.
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Bob Moraine was also one of my favourites. I would love to see a movie of that actually.
What I don't understand is how you .... could ... leave ... this out ... shame on you. SHAME ON YOU! MAY EVEN YOUR CHILDREN STILL FEEL ASHAMED FOR YOU!
Forget what I said about Moraine. THIS has to be made as movie one day. But instead we're getting one shitty Transformers sequel after another ...
What I don't understand is how you .... could ... leave ... this out ... shame on you. SHAME ON YOU! MAY EVEN YOUR CHILDREN STILL FEEL ASHAMED FOR YOU!
Forget what I said about Moraine. THIS has to be made as movie one day. But instead we're getting one shitty Transformers sequel after another ...
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Yeah, Gargoyles was super awesome. I left it out because a) it started in 1994 and not 1997 like the other EXTREME cartoons and b) because it was not ridiculous enough.
Btw., there was a Bob Morane movie in the 60's, but it was lost in a fire.
Btw., there was a Bob Morane movie in the 60's, but it was lost in a fire.