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Guys, never learn editing or animation, you will start seeing through everything and the magic is kind of lost...
 
Walpknut said:
Guys, never learn editing or animation, you will start seeing through everything and the magic is kind of lost...
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I actually have the opposite view - a through understanding of how things work allow me to enjoy them so much more. Look at general knowledge of physics, chemistry or biology, you know, the kind people learn in high school. Compared to all there is to know about those subjects, the average person only learns the extreme basics, but even that is a huge amount of knowledge in terms of how we see the world. I'm not a physicist, but I can look at a wall and know why all those trillions of atoms connect in the way they do to form what I see. I can drop a ball into the floor and I know exactly why it falls, why it reaches a specific speed, why it causes a certain impact. I'm not a biologist, but I can walk outside into my yard and know why each plant has all its different structures, why it grows a certain way or not. It's the same thing with works like movies, music, cartoons, software, art. Even if you're not an expert in any of those things, if you just take the time to read a book or watch some documentaries and just learn a bit about how it's done, you are able to appreciate it so much more. If I know how music is made I'll hear more details in the composition of any song, if I know how good stories are written I'll notice more subtleties hidden within the plot, if I know how a movie is made and edited I can see details I would have never thought about before, and how they contribute to the full picture...

Knowledge doesn't ruin the magic - it magnifies it. Ignorance is not bliss, and I believe any piece of culture holds far more value if aspects like context, creative details and authorial intent are taken into account.
 
I think a more accurate assessment for the 'magic is lost' argument is 'a lot of the technically lacking artworks you once enjoyed will be harder to appreciate once you can see through the faults you can now identify'. It certainly is the case with music. Once you know the chord progressions, the harmonies, the lyrical tropes etc, genericism in general grates on you greatly. After a while you find yourself looking for hypothetical avant-gardisms that don't even exist. It's more that you become so critical (if you continue to learn and analyse work) that it appears as though you don't enjoy the medium, sometimes even to yourself.

Though a comparison to science is a little off. There's a creative element to the animation, music etc, and it's very much a problem with creative stagnation and seeing poorly-made or unoriginal work for what it is. I'm not sure the sentence "this compound reaction is SO uninspired!" will ever be uttered outside of this post...
 
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The difference between learning science and learning a craft is that with crafts you start seeing all the seams and stitches on everything, and while you learn to appreciate clever solutions to problems in an animation or an edited video you will also start noticing the parts where they either cope out with a premade effect or put a band aid on very obvious flaws. What once amazed you just becomes a process of "Oh they did this, that and this, very simple, I can do that in 2 hours".
 
Creativity is a science. People are often quick to say "that's your taste/opinion" but when it comes down to it, story-telling, design, music, there is a method to it. It's not exact - but there are definite patterns to be detected. Most artists will be unaware of these exact patterns, but "instinctively" follow them, simply because they "feel good". Analyzing the patterns is when we find that they match across genres, in music it often comes down to certain beats, certain melodies, that strike home - and these beats will often be present in typical hits, even if they SEEM unique

Tropes in story-telling are often inevitable, but it then comes down to a creative way to mask the tropes, with new and fresh details. As original as for example Breaking Bad seem to us, it's not reaaally that original, he says "I *am* the danger" and we go "fuck yea!" but shit, he could have ripped that right off the Marilyn Manson song "Man that you fear", and as I've said before about Game of Thrones for example, there's the Mordor wall, behind it is Mordor, Frodo is on his way north to deal with it, there are dragons, there is a "mother queen", there is honor-codes up the ass, I mean, there isn't a lot of originality here, except for the wrapping, the details, the masks, and that is not wrong! It is good. It IS good creativity: Story-telling that pull the right emotional strings, tried-and-tested, but with fresh new details.
 
Tropes are inevitable because they are what the language is made of.

I seriously hate how the word trope has been destroyed by the interwebs. if my Semiology teacher saw that she would probably cry.
 
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Moosick said:
Walpknut said:
Guys, never learn editing or animation, you will start seeing through everything and the magic is kind of lost...
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Same with music. What you love now, you will likely come to hate with bloody passion.
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Psh, you should get into the game. It only gets better, the more you learn and the deeper into it that you get!

Also the more people who know a damn thing about economics, the better the world would be. We need more artists and businessmen, and fewer politicians and soldiers.
 
SnapSlav said:
Moosick said:
Walpknut said:
Guys, never learn editing or animation, you will start seeing through everything and the magic is kind of lost...
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Same with music. What you love now, you will likely come to hate with bloody passion.
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Psh, you should get into the game. It only gets better, the more you learn and the deeper into it that you get!

Also the more people who know a damn thing about economics, the better the world would be. We need more artists and businessmen, and fewer politicians and soldiers.
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Waaay ahead of you ;) Not a very good musician, as I'm a very scattered and unfocused mind, but I do compose and critique. On a professional level though, I photograph I will be so poor once I leave academia dear god what am I doing with my LIFE?

As said above, I feel it's more that your frustration with being able to identify unsubtly used devices and poor or truly generic composition makes it appear as though you're a sourpuss to the point where you feel a little burnt out. Nowadays I have a slightly different philosophy on such things, but I find that the inevitable bell curve of originality in the arts causes frustration in most people at some point along their journey.

Not as great at economics, I must admit. It's one of many things I want to pursue. If there is any particular resource you'd recommend to me it'd be much appreciated.


 
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Cheers.


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One more post about it and I'm going to request my moderator powers back just to vat it along with the previous ones.
 
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