Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
Yeah, Chris Avellone directed Dead Money, Old World Blues and Lonesome Road; JE Sawyer directed Honest Hearts.
New Vegas a bit rewritten and a bit redesigned
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eissa
Artanis "Altáriel" Nerwen Nos Finwe
jsawyer mod address this, you could use the power armor without pre-existing knowledge. But if you have the perks, it removes the agility debuff and adding extra strength
Ediros
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
Potential 2: Well, everyone here remembers Old World Blues and little Yangtze? The camp full of ghouls that were mutated by "pure" radiation and spent 200 years trapped inside. Then came Elijah and experimented on them. So how do we explain this?
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
I hate Old World Blues and think a lot of the stuff in it is stupid.
You know what?
Personal canon; OWB is semi-canon to me.
The only canon parts are what are necessary for for Ulysses' and Sierra Madre's backstory.
The rest can go in the trash as far as I'm concerned.
Ediros
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
May I ask, what exactly is wrong with Old World Blues in your opinion?
I agree, that it is a bit silly, but this is whole point of the DLC. Also I haven't seen too many things that broke the lore on too many levels.
Cazadores and nightstalkers are explained. Trauma override harness fits Fallout with its' cruel humor and cyberdogs are explained. I honestly don't see why does deserve to be semi-canon?
Brivoo
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It's essentially the same theme park-type disjointed wackiness that we're so fond of in Fallout 3 and 4.
I don't really mind (it's kind of the point of the DLC) but it does stick out like a sore thumb.
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
And if I want silly toilet humor I'll go play Saints Row.
Old World Blues simply doesn't 'add' anything substantial to Fallout IMO and what it does add is silly shit that I'm fine with omitting from my fanon. Like Brivoo says, it sticks out like a sore thumb. It doesn't fit in. It is 'too silly'. A humorous setting is fine, FO2 had a lot of that going for it. But penis-tipped fingers? Milking a Wasteland reference bone dry? Highschool drama simulation? Skeleton-astronauts? Talking lightswitches? No thanks. I also can't stand its damn neon all over the place. IIRC TRON (the sequel) had just been released and they were basically ripping it off too. Like, this thing's popular, let's milk that for all it is worth too cause reasons.
Old World Blues is what Wild Wasteland should've been IMO. Wild Wasteland should truly have turned the wasteland 'wild'. But I don't consider wild wasteland to be canon material. And if I find OWB on par with it more than proper Fallout itself? Well. It has to go.
Earth
Vault Senior Citizen
And that's where you lost me.
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Earth
Vault Senior Citizen
I consider a lot of Wild Wasteland canon. Why not? I'm one of the few people who has no problem with the whackier elements of Fallout 2. It's all fairly benign and unrelated to the main plots and brings levity to an otherwise dark series.
Old World Blues is whacky, and I dislike it for gameplay reasons, but because it's so disconnected from the rest of the series besides its minor influences on the stories in Dead Money etc I have no problem considering it canon. To the outside world, as Caesar says, "It might as well just be a wall."
It's not like Bethesda Fallout which actually sets out to rewrite canon. Old World Blues was inspired by campy Classic 50s Horror and Sci-Fi Movies, and actually allude to them with Dr Mobius saying he loved the movie Forbidden Planet. That was its schtick, and it's fair if you don't like it. But on the other hand, Bethesda is trying to restructure the whole of Fallout to fit some nonsensical Sci-Fi 1950s thing which just makes less and less sense the more you delve into it.
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Right, then our views on what we consider canon will have to differ.
Earth
Vault Senior Citizen
That's fair. I think it's just because I see things more as story-beats than the specific details. Ultimately, Old World Blues is just a closed off lab with a bunch of immortal mad scientists with some space-age technology. That's basically it. The whackier stuff, like the whackier stuff in Fallout 2, is just for the player's benefit, either as comedy, or to get cool weapons etc etc.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
OWB is trash?
Buy some humor please, we sell them for $3.99, ranging from cheezy, cheap and shitty.
Buy some humor please, we sell them for $3.99, ranging from cheezy, cheap and shitty.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
I wouldn't remove fast travel, because to me having to meander everywhere everytime I want to turn in a quest is not challenging, is just tedious.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Make Fast Travel hubs, I mean shouldn't there be SOME transportation system?
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
Love this idea. It worked wonderfully In morrowind.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Exactly!
Not only would Fast Travel make sense but also it would involve actually thinking about travelling.
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
Because it would cost money and you'd have to map out travel routes... Yes. So much yes. What would we use for transportation? Brahma or a new creature?
Ediros
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
That is why I scrapped the idea of removing it. Heck I even edited main post to reflect it. I won't change all the comments but I try to keep it this thread a bit organized
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Exactly! The map would have to be bigger though... so New Vegas is out.
Brahmin and scavenged cars.