Nuka World Discussion

[Black Angel]

I doubt it, who would make it?

I have to ask: what are you basing that on?

I think Obsidian said that another Fallout by them is extremely unlikely.

Haven't you guys heard? Words on the streets is that Chris Avellone is working on the new/reboot version of Prey with Arkane Studio. Arkane is working under Bethesda Softworks, so there is a tiny-weeny-lil' bit of chance they are gonna handle the outsourced Fallout IP with MCA by their side. That tweet by MCA pretty much confirmed Obsidian won't be handling the next whatever Fallout spin-off Bethesda are preparing, but with Arkane? Still, it's really tiny-weeny-lil' bit of chance to happen.

Speaking of new Prey, why is it not coming to me to ask about the new Prey for the interview with MCA?

 

[Graham2077]

Yall need to chill, there is gonna be another spinoff like New Vegas. Its a matter off time. For now this is a game for the masses. smh

Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen, and even if it does, Beth will still continue to shit on the franchise all they want. New Vegas was their golden opportunity to realize their mistakes with FO3, yet did nothing to fix them. The FO4 DLC is pretty much the final nail in the coffin at this point.

So, so glad I did not buy that season pass by the way. What a mistake that woulda been.

 

[Cooldawg86]

I still have faith, I think it will come.

 

[Black Angel]

I still have faith, I think it will come.

Oh my sweet summer child..... eh, honestly, Fallout 4 should really be the time for even NMA to finally let go. Lots of interesting stuff are coming from genuine RPG developers, especially as CDPR put down Bethesda in 2015. Of course, that won't stop Bethesda from luring the masses (who mostly have no experiences with video games at all) to buy and defend their shit product.

Though, with MCA joining Arkane on making the reboot Prey..... I'm not sure. The prospect is exciting, but knowing Bethesda....

 

[Ediros]

Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen, and even if it does, Beth will still continue to shit on the franchise all they want. New Vegas was their golden opportunity to realize their mistakes with FO3, yet did nothing to fix them. The FO4 DLC is pretty much the final nail in the coffin at this point.

So, so glad I did not buy that season pass by the way. What a mistake that woulda been.

Gah, critical hit. I wish I hadn't bought it myself but at this point I really don't care.

It was my first and only time I bought season pass, never again. On the plus side neither bethesda or zenimax will get my money anytime soon. The only exception is 90% discount.

Anyway, nuka world will be most likely a separate world where you can constantly raid settlements and nothing will change. It would require effort and not ripping off modders.

 

[Cooldawg86]

Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen, and even if it does, Beth will still continue to shit on the franchise all they want. New Vegas was their golden opportunity to realize their mistakes with FO3, yet did nothing to fix them. The FO4 DLC is pretty much the final nail in the coffin at this point.

So, so glad I did not buy that season pass by the way. What a mistake that woulda been.

I get that but it also allowed people who wouldn't be interested in the older series to get into the setting (to some extent). I tend to just accept that Bethesda just makes an open game that people can mess around with similar to a RP map that people can then create their own adventures. I hated fallout 4 in the beginning but Far harbor gave me hope for the future. I still sold the game but I'm totally gonna buy it in a years time to see what people have done with it.

 

[Jogre]

Plus I'm sure the content coming with it will be fine to settle you folk down.

To be fair, the content that came with Far Harbor was great, but we still complained. Folks here seem to hate DLC irregardless of who actually wrote it, because they see it as an extension of Fallout 4(Which they hated for good and valid reasons) rather than an adventure independent from the main game.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

I get that but it also allowed people who wouldn't be interested in the older series to get into the setting (to some extent).

This is a polite way of saying Bethesda dumbed down Fallout 4 for the lowest common casual denominator. Thats not something they should be praised for. That is, in fact, a bad thing that they did.

RPG fans want RPGs. if you take an RPG franchise and dumb it down to attract people who don't like RPGs then guess what? The fans of previous games won't like it.

This is even talked about in the game. The Hubris Comics terminal talks about dumbing down the Silver Shroud franchise for a wider audience and how their loyal fans will be upset and hate it.

 

[Cooldawg86]

This is a polite way of saying Bethesda dumbed down Fallout 4 for the lowest common casual denominator. Thats not something they should be praised for. That is, in fact, a bad thing that they did.

RPG fans want RPGs. if you take an RPG franchise and dumb it down to attract people who don't like RPGs then guess what? The fans of previous games won't like it.

I completely agree but I think that's why its an open game that allows mods because RP games are about taking the core mechanics of the games and modding them to your liking. I'm not saying Fallout 4 is a good game but the fact that they allow people to mod it is nice. To me that's what Role playing is all about. Then again im often considered a dummy by my peers

 

[Shardik]

I completely agree but I think that's why its an open game that allows mods because RP games are about taking the core mechanics of the games and modding them to your liking. I'm not saying Fallout 4 is a good game but the fact that they allow people to mod it is nice. To me that's what Role playing is all about. Then again im often considered a dummy by my peers

There are lots of games that can be modded but are still considered to be good roleplaying games. Just off the top of my head I can think of a few -

Morrowind
New Vegas
KOTOR 1 & 2
The Witcher Games

For that matter, while FO1 and 2 were not released with modding the games in mind, there are still a number of mods for them that unlock cut content, fix bugs and improve overall stability. Even Bethesda games like Fallout 3, Oblivion and (maybe) Skyrim are much better role playing games than Fallout 4 is, and you know how many mods are available for those.

Making a game easily moddable doesn't mean you have to strip out and dumb down features that make RPGs RPGs.

 

[Cooldawg86]

There are lots of games that can be modded but are still considered to be good roleplaying games. Just off the top of my head I can think of a few -

Morrowind
New Vegas
KOTOR 1 & 2
The Witcher Games

For that matter, while FO1 and 2 were not released with modding the games in mind, there are still a number of mods for them that unlock cut content, fix bugs and improve overall stability. Even Bethesda games like Fallout 3, Oblivion and (maybe) Skyrim are much better role playing games than Fallout 4 is, and you know how many mods are available for those.

Making a game easily moddable doesn't mean you have to strip out and dumb down features that make RPGs RPGs.

hmm... well put. While I do have a reply I understand this sites passion for the series so I might as well stop right here. Sorry.

 

[Cooldawg86]

fuck it I'm gonna say it. Bethesda allow Fallout to generate enough money for fallout to be experimented with safely. That's how New Vegas came to be. If it didn't appeal to the lowest common denominator New Vegas may have been attempted in a way but might have ended up like Van Buren. DEAD

 

[Irwin John Finster]

There are lots of games that can be modded but are still considered to be good roleplaying games. Just off the top of my head I can think of a few -

Morrowind
New Vegas
KOTOR 1 & 2
The Witcher Games

For that matter, while FO1 and 2 were not released with modding the games in mind, there are still a number of mods for them that unlock cut content, fix bugs and improve overall stability. Even Bethesda games like Fallout 3, Oblivion and (maybe) Skyrim are much better role playing games than Fallout 4 is, and you know how many mods are available for those.

Making a game easily moddable doesn't mean you have to strip out and dumb down features that make RPGs RPGs.

It is also a change in priorities. Fallout New Vegas provided an excellent RPG and modders added superficial things and even deeper quest mods, while the DLC focused on expanding the role playing game. Fallout 4 has no role playing and its DLC is paid mods.

 

[Deeves]

I completely agree but I think that's why its an open game that allows mods because RP games are about taking the core mechanics of the games and modding them to your liking. I'm not saying Fallout 4 is a good game but the fact that they allow people to mod it is nice. To me that's what Role playing is all about. Then again im often considered a dummy by my peers

I'd argue that this time around Bethesda actually made it more difficult not only to immerse yourself in your character but also even mod in a way to make a more immersive character for yourself in Fallout 4.

If you wanted more dialogue options for your silent protagonist to speak in Skyrim, sure, just boot up the Creation Kit and type it in.

Now, I don't even know, you have to hunt and peck through millions of lines and hack it all together in audacity to get a sentence together? And if you want to make a new race with a custom voice? Like, you wanted to play as a sentient Deathclaw with more violent dialogue choices? You might as well make a new main quest all together.

 

[Izak]

fuck it, I'm gonna say it. Bethesda allowed Fallout to generate enough money for Fallout to be experimented with safely. That's how New Vegas came to be. If it didn't appeal to the lowest common denominator New Vegas may have been attempted in a way but might have ended up like Van Buren. DEAD

Fallout 1 and 2 were sufficiently experimental and they certainly didn't need any help from Bethesda; not to mention the fact that we're in the middle of an "RPG renaissance", if Fallout had been kept away from Bethesda we'd probably be having a Van Buren kickstarter by now.

 

[Millim]

On a note above, I'd only buy nother Fallout game if Chris becomes lead Writer for it and it gets a good reception either on here or the Codex.
That's another option to me breaking my Bethesda Boycott.

 

[Mr Fish]

On a note above, I'd only buy nother Fallout game if Chris becomes lead Writer for it and it gets a good reception either on here or the Codex.
That's another option to me breaking my Bethesda Boycott.

Eh.... If the PC version of Fallout Shelter costs money (5euro at most) then I might get it.
The new updates seem to turn it into more of an actual game.
And I dunno, future updates could improve it even further so I dunno.
Might get that one.

 

[MercenarySnake]

I completely agree but I think that's why its an open game that allows mods because RP games are about taking the core mechanics of the games and modding them to your liking.

Do you even RPG?
If you rely on mods to make a game better then it's shit. Mods are supposed to add different flavor and fun to the game not attempt to fix its failed shortcomings.

As for a new good Fallout game? Good luck waiting for one, it's not going to happen. It's a milked franchise with nothing but regression. Sad but true.

 

[Antiwarprofallout]

Why would Bethesda shelve the series? They could just keep on repacking the same game, occasionally adding new things while getting rid of RP elements, and generally just prodding the near lifeless body to do tricks. The audience is slowly becoming folk who have never played even New Vegas and don't expect better, so Bethesda can keep shooting these out every 5-7 years while selling T-shirts with a phrase that has had the meaning throttled out from it, and keep making money from this and ES games until hell freezes over. Meanwhile major advertising sites like IGN and youtuber's with cringy photoshopped thumbnails will continue selling these games for Bethesda.

 

[Black Angel]

fuck it I'm gonna say it. Bethesda allow Fallout to generate enough money for fallout to be experimented with safely. That's how New Vegas came to be. If it didn't appeal to the lowest common denominator New Vegas may have been attempted in a way but might have ended up like Van Buren. DEAD

Implying that Van Buren was dead because it didn't 'appeal to lowest common denominator'. For all I know, Van Buren was brought down together with Interplay because Interplay was lead by dumbass motherfucker who were also responsible for the release of fucking console POS.