Nuka World: No Review Possible

kraag said:
Is it sick and twisted of me to actually enjoy watching Bethesda flounder and slowly drown in the murky pond they've become stuck in?

I feel bad for the Fallout name though, being dragged down with them :(
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They still have an army of kids on major forums doing their marketing for them and Fallout 4 sold like No man's Sky so I'm sure they are doing just fine and have plans to do to Elder Scrolls what they did to Fallout 4.

Enjoy Tamriel Workshop!
 
Sir Preston of House Garvarado: Sire, there is yet another village in need of assistance. And since this is the second quest in the game- here, have your very own pet dragon, and a rapid fire bow. They're a thing now, and you can apply mods to them.

See that castle? You can build it.
 
Mr Fish said:
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You seem to have gotten a little defensive over the Legion. I am not saying that the Legion are raiders but they do have raider like qualities. They do raid "profligate" settlements for slaves and do massacre non Legion settlements. However unlike most raiders there are reasons and motivations behind why the Legion does those things instead of for "lols we are bad guys!".

They need slaves for their workforce as well as more breeding stock to breed more soldiers.
They commit wholesome slaughter of non Legion settlements in order to strike fear into the NCR and bring down their troopers morale as well as tell the independent Mojave residents to back off and not oppose them. While the BoS I can also seem them as exhibiting some raider like qualities I would also, like with the Legion, wouldn't classified them as raiders in the true sense but in a very loose sense. While the BoS do raid places for old world tech they don't go out of their way to murder or enslave people like the Legion. Bully people and impose their will on them? Yes. But murder an entire town and enslave the survivors? No.

Maybe I am not looking at the big picture but I am making my judgements based on Bethesda designs philosophy for the raiders. Which you unfortunately gotta since Bethesda hold the Fallout license.
 
Legion pretty much are raiders. They are non-Beth-type of raiders, as in, any kind of group that organizes and uses a little more violence than is usually preferred to achieve their goals. The Khans are raiders too, quite litterally.

If the Khans and the Fiends are both raiders, then the Legion are raiders as well, just more organized, with more territory covered.
"Raiders" is just loose umbrella term applicable to a lot of raiding groups

If we go by Beth's logic, then no, they aren't raiders, because the Legion are able to speak language, open doors, seek cover, cook food, etc
 
Bethesda Raiders/Bandits are cannon fodder who chill all around the map waiting for you (only you) to attack on sight. They usually are 3-5 and have shit gear you'll outclass 3 hours in.
There is no way to deal with them other than killing them. Maybe there is a terminal or a note with vague excuses of why they are thete. Oh, and NO NPC's.
'Couse conversations are for nerds
These games cost 120$
 
SarcasticGoodGuy said:
u need 2 git gud.
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FUCKING TRIGGERED
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Millim said:
The sad thing is, Fallout 2 is more innovated than Fallout 4.
We've regressed.
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Skills, traits, perks that aren't just "10% damage with big guns", actual quests (not errands), an actual boss fight with unique animations, companions that have depth, noteworthy dialogue.

BUT GRAPHICS AND DOGMEAT - got that gem from Sugarbombed, apparently they don't know that Dogmeat was in previous Fallouts.
 
SarcasticGoodGuy said:
Skills, traits, perks that aren't just "10% damage with big guns", actual quests (not errands), an actual boss fight with unique animations, companions that have depth, noteworthy dialogue.

BUT GRAPHICS AND DOGMEAT - got that gem from Sugarbombed, apparently they don't know that Dogmeat was in previous Fallouts.
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I never got why Bethesda was so obssessed with Dogmeat.

I mean, it was a Dog that appeared in the first game and then in the second as a joke.
It's like they did a google search on anything Fallout related and just shoved it in.

That's not innovation, that's just plain laziness.
 
Millim said:
I never got why Bethesda was so obssessed with Dogmeat.

I mean, it was a Dog that appeared in the first game and then in the second as a joke.
It's like they did a google search on anything Fallout related and just shoved it in.

That's not innovation, that's just plain laziness.
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Cause references. "You all remember Dogmeat right? See we added him into our game! We are a Fallout game see!"
Its really no different then what you see modern Hollywood do with sequels and remakes. They constantly need to reference the previous movies because they think they can play off of nostalgia.
 
RangerBoo said:
Cause references. "You all remember Dogmeat right? See we added him into our game! We are a Fallout game see!"
Its really no different then what you see modern Hollywood do with sequels and remakes. They constantly need to reference the previous movies because they think they can play off of nostalgia.
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Referencing older games in fine.
In fact, I kind of like it when some games do it (Such as Final Fantasy for example).
But Dogmeat isn't meant to be a staple of Fallout, I don't think he ever was.

I'm not even objecting to the fact they have a dog in these games, it's just they reuse the same name again and again and now the Dog is all goofy and become a Mascot like the Vault Boy.

It's just... surreal.
 
Pfft, , if they can sell plushies, T-Shirts or any kind of merchandise, you can be sure that they'll milk Vault Boy, Dogmeat, Vault color scheme and Power Armor ad infinium.
Anyway, what does people see in Vault Boy merch? It's really ugly, and the blue-yellow color scheme is pukeworthy. I only found myself liking the NV dice one.
 
Arnust said:
Pfft, , if they can sell plushies, T-Shirts or any kind of merchandise, you can be sure that they'll milk Vault Boy, Dogmeat, Vault color scheme and Power Armor ad infinium.
Anyway, what does people see in Vault Boy merch? It's really ugly, and the blue-yellow color scheme is pukeworthy. I only found myself liking the NV dice one.
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I have a shirt, couple of bobbleheads and a mask.
It was all for free however.
 
Joking aside, I just can't get upset about this. Fallout died with Fallout 3 (hell, it died before that with the whole Interplay debacle). It then got kinda resurrected with Fallout New Vegas but even then it was still hampered down with Bethesda's crap. Fallout 4 was inevitable, so why be upset by it? Maybe it's easier for me as someone who hasn't played Fallout 4 but I'm struggling to get angry about Nuka World. It's just more of the same garbage we've already seen.

Someone suggested that we should VAT the entire Fallout 4 forum same as was done with Fallout POS. I think they had a point. This game is just so worthless.
 
RangerBoo said:
They do raid "profligate" settlements for slaves and do massacre non Legion settlements. However unlike most raiders there are reasons and motivations behind why the Legion does those things instead of for "lols we are bad guys!".
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Legion is funny because, as Millim pointed out, the members are still essentially raiders and tribals at heart.

They really are a bunch of lolz rapists and killers just for the hell of it. Only difference is Caesar has refashioned this aggregate of thugs into instruments pointed away from his territories and towards his enemies.

So now when they rape, pillage, and plunder, it's for the benefit of Caesar's "greater good"--acquiring slaves to breed future generations, seizing resources to supplement whatever infrastructure they got back east, or--in the case of Nipton--waging psychological warfare against their foes.

Never, in a million years, could Bethesda ever hope to come up with something this nuanced. It's either one extreme (Messiah) or the other (Satan) with them.

Millim said:
But Dogmeat isn't meant to be a staple of Fallout, I don't think he ever was.
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Yeah, in the original Dogmeat was just a fun little homage to the mutt from Road Warrior. Of course, as everyone pointed out, Bethesda went and made a big damn deal out of him because they don't know any better.
 
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