Why do people think New Vegas was actually good?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by chunglord420, Apr 2, 2020.

  1. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    Lol @chunglord420 you're lucky NMA has gone soft over the years now. Having your thread derailed in the exact opposite direction? Only very slightly embarrassing.

    Now, if you're to try and pull off the same shit in the Codex.... oh man, I can only imagine it. I'm never a fan of their plethora of buttons and will always just stick to Brofist to the very end, but man it never stops from amusing me to see people getting button-rated to oblivion :lol:

    The way I see it, House ending is the most likely one to be picked as canon considering 200 years is way too long to keep people staying in dirtcheap shacks and ruins. And honestly, MCA's view of wanting to push the reset button is way too extreme.

    And in an ideal world, the Outer Worlds should've been a spiritual successor to New Vegas, taking place in the exact same setting, some ~100 years after House ending....

    Why must you do this to me, Cain

    Oh well, we still got Sonora, Mutants Rising, SpaceWreck, ATOM RPG: Trudograd, Underrail: Infusion, Colony Ship RPG, Encased, Sands of Space etc etc
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  2. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2017
    I'll say is less going soft and more that this happened so many times that we no longer care much about discussing it. Even someone like me that has been here for only three years has seen this happen so many times and the trajectory of the discussion is the same everytime.

    Doesn't help that these people always use the same arguments, word for word. "We hate Bethesda", "Fallout 2 is terrible because of muh pop cultural references", "New Vegas's world is empty", "You just a Obsidian and/or Black Isle drone" and so on. When they are trashing a specific game liked here, they are using either Fallout 1 or 2 as leverage to make them seem unbiased. Can't be biased if you say you like either 1 or 2 (1 is used far more often), so that means my defense of Fallout 3 or other Bethesda Fallouts comes from a place of no bias. Which is complete horseshit.
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  3. Alphons

    Alphons National Beholder

    Aug 9, 2017
    Considering how much of the game is "Letting go and beginning again" then Yes Man.
    Instead of choosing between a pre-war businessman, government modelled after the pre-war US or the Legion which was also built on pre-war ideals, you decide to take the fourth way and create something new.

    It's also Benny's plan- he's the antagonist of the first act of the game, but also one of the few characters that decided to let go and begin again without MC's actions.

    But is it the best choice? Well, it's up to the player to decide (even for supporters of Lowenthal's Legion like @KingArthur )

    And that's the beauty of New Vegas.

    Fuck, I'll have to search if we have Let go and begin again thread or start a new one.
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  4. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010

    I don't think anyone needs to give too much thought about an opinion from a guy who needed to "explore" in Fallout 1 to find his way around.
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  5. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
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  6. SquidVan

    SquidVan Literal Vampire Potbelly Goblin

    Jun 1, 2018
    Yeah, because NV has a story worth discussing. OP poked it. The best parts of this are never his parts haha
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  7. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Luckily, I just started a new playthrough of New Vegas, after playing Fallout 3 (TTW for the win). It's true that the Legion doesn't get enough spotlight, but I think that the game does a good job of giving them character beyond "pure villain". Quite a few characters comment on the advantages of the Legion, many of which are not shown because the Legion's presence in the Mojave is just a few military outposts and the Fort. You can't really judge the Legion by real world moral standards. Yes, they are misogynistic slavers, but in the context of the game, their way of life kinda makes sense. Caesar explains it all, and quite a few traders, even Cass, comments on how travelling in the Legion territory is much safer, and as a civilian you can have a decent, safe life there.
    The NCR, on the other hand, being the more obvious "good guys" from our real world perspective, are more often depicted as incompetent, overy bureaucratic, inefficient, and sometimes plain corrupt. Where the Legion is the extreme adaption to the apocalypse, the NCR is trying to make things as they were. House and Yes Man are the alternatives, with House being the autocratic choice and Yes Man the more anarchist route. All major factions have their positives and negatives, and all can be reasonably argued to be preferable for control over New Vegas and the Mojave, within the context of the game universe.
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  8. TheOtherManInTheRoom

    TheOtherManInTheRoom Watchman

    Mar 28, 2018
    The biggest key is that we are still talking about this almost 10 years later. We can still debate and argue about which faction is best. That's the mark of a well-written world.

    It's not like we can say the same for Fallout 3, and though we might do for 4, any attempt just leads to realising all the factions are either not fleshed out enough, dumb, or both.

    I do like how these people bring the whole forum together though. It's almost like a ritual.
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  9. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    Inb4 chunglord is either an alt or just a tsundere disillusioned Beth fanboy who wants to cleanse themselves but too tsun about it.
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  10. SquidVan

    SquidVan Literal Vampire Potbelly Goblin

    Jun 1, 2018
    Eh, I'm fine with people coming here specifically to stir us up. The upper half doesn't see so much activity outside modding discussions so having the occasional "I'm here to convince you that you've been wrong this whole time!" are welcomed by me. It kicks us in the guts a bit and gets us posting for a little while even if it is practically the same arguments that we've been saying and hearing for over a decade.
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  11. KingArthur

    KingArthur My Name Is Actually Arthur

    Jun 25, 2018
    Nothing worse than bureaucratic ovaries.

    EDIT: @AlphaPromethean and anyone else who gives a shit, feel free to necro these I guess. “I Admire the Purity of the Legion’s Justice” was the one I mentioned specifically.

    “Ticking of the Clock” is about NCR, and the last one is about the Enclave.



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  12. Rose

    Rose Bring me to life

    Dec 5, 2018
    I finished up my playthrough of NV a few days ago, and decided to go with the NCR. I think the Mojave should have some form of government, and it's unfortunate that the NCR are bullies who run people off their land... But I still think it's better than a bunch of robots or slavers running the show. If I remember correctly, even independence results in chaos, so there's that too.

    I will agree with OP on the Mojave feeling very empty. I discovered every location and a big chunk of them were not even worth exploring. I found myself collecting mugs and empty bottles for the OWB dlc to make stimpaks so I could delay the final battle, simply because there was nothing left for me to do. NV is my favorite FO, but I have my criticisms about it too. I have no idea where I was going with this... But yes, it's enjoyable reading new posts, even if the goal seems to be to get a reaction. That's the way she goes.
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  13. KingArthur

    KingArthur My Name Is Actually Arthur

    Jun 25, 2018

    Memes aside, my list is Legion > Chaos > NCR > House.

    Imho, while House is likely canon, the shriveled penis in a tube with a superiority complex is my least favorite.
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  14. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2017
    My prediction was correct, just another to the list of people that come here to trash a game that is liked here and then leave shortly after.

    I'll add that it's funny in a way that the pros and cons of each faction in New Vegas is still talked about to this day, nearly 10 years later. When you have the RPG Codex, possibly the harshest RPG forum in the internet, still discussing the factions of New Vegas, saying which one is better right now (a thread got made from people going offtopic on a thread about the Outer Worlds, which is funny in itself), you know you have made something even remotely right. Even if the execution could have been better in some places.

    It makes the retarded argument of the OP about no point in siding with any faction other than NCR really damn funny.
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  15. KingArthur

    KingArthur My Name Is Actually Arthur

    Jun 25, 2018
    Reap in Pickles, BigChunglordUltimate. You made me feel better about myself, and brought this community together.

    God bless. :salute:
  16. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Oh hey, another one of these threads. Been a while since we had a troll this blatantly obvious.

    Just to throw my hat into the ring on Legion, I was of the opinion that the Legion only worked in their region of the post-War world seeing as they formed amidst societies that had devolved into tribalism which makes their ruthless disciplining sensible to those regions seeing as those societies had lost their notions of modern morality and societal norms unlike restored regions like the NCR and New Vegas. Though this all comes at the expense of those tribes with their cultures and beliefs wiped out and assimilated.

    One thing neat that has been brought up is how each faction has its cons and pros: The Legion can maintain order but does so in ruthless, morally reprehensible ways, the NCR also can maintain order and has suceeded for a while as a modern democracy but with the same flaws of democracy (incompetence, excessive bureacracy, staffed by people out for themselves etc.), House capable of maintaining New Vegas and expanding but being locked into his ways and locking Vegas into a form of stasis (though this was good for business seeing as New Vegas's Strip were originally tribals), and Yes Man allowing you to personally shape your new nation with the growing pains for said nation.

    For me, I'd say either NCR or House would be the canonical ending.
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  17. Millim

    Millim The Big Straight Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    Honestly, Brotherhood of Steel is objectively the best Fallout game.
  18. KingArthur

    KingArthur My Name Is Actually Arthur

    Jun 25, 2018
    Oh god I am angry and now I must type a response to that.
  19. BiggumsBoi


    Apr 16, 2020
    people like the ideas and ambitions presented even if the follow through is lack luster.
    Genuinely its a good game with problems, so there isn't a reason not to like it other then most quests feeling boring due to most being overly simple due to presentation and busywork.
    Unless your a story elitist which should turn you off anything from 3 and up
  20. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2017
    If New Vegas quests are "overly simple", then Fallout 3 and 4 quests are baby's first quests due to how ridiculously simple pretty much all of them are.

    And most quests aren't "overly simple" in New Vegas, that's factually wrong.
    If you are a story elitist, then 3, 4 and 76 will indeed piss you off given how atrocious their stories are. New Vegas is the only 3D Fallout that actually gives a shit when it comes to story.
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