xboxone

TheWesDude said:
well, here is what we know about consoles graphically

ps3 = 1/4 1080 or 480x270 native resolution for games
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Ok, how I missed this? PS3 running at 480x270? And what is supposed to mean "native"? That that's the only resolution the console runs at? Barely better than the Genesis/Megadrive (320x240)? Where THE HELL did you find this stuff and how could you believe it?

And I even bothered to discuss with you seriously...
 
Xbox One is a joke so far. Too many of anti-consumer practices by Microsoft will kill that console in the eyes of gamers.
I'm hoping for you Sony, good luck with this generation!
 
I do own an Xbox 360 Elite (older model), but I barely ever use it unless I want to play splitscreen with someone. PC dominates in my opinion the quality of your overall experience. With all this boosting about the console supporting television, I would definitely not purchase it as it would just direct more advertising (which includes sexualization and "corporate pedophilia" - search the term up if you do not understand what it means, it is not literal) to my eyes and ears.

Honestly though, if people want to buy it, that's great, but I'm glad the PC world hasn't forcefully attempted to convert users yet in comparison to consoles (referring to XBOX LIVE cancelling on the original XBOX). I am still running Vista and have had nothing, but actually pretty decent support from Microsoft.
 
Stan, those numbers are from what sony and microsoft released.

yes, those are the NATIVE resolution going into pre-processing.

what those numbers are based on has been bandied around on this forum even including where sony admitted that they cant play a blu-ray without upscaling.

you really are coming into this pretty late in the game if you did not know this already.

again, those articles talk about display resolution. not the native resolution. if they say they are native, then they are mis-using the word, or using it to mean something else.

when i say native, i am referring to the resolution being a HD resolution going into pre-processing, main processing, and to post processing, and not using the image scalar wherever it lies in the architecture.

neither the PS3 or the XBox360Elite can run a HD resolution through all 3(4) phases. their hardware will not allow it. their hardware cannot handle it. it is technologically impossible for them to run a native resolution.

the xbox is using a video card from 1998. the PS3 is using a video card from 1999.

the PS4 will be using a laptop video card based on an architecture from 2007.

the XboxOne will be using a worse video card. they have not announced the architecture, but it is expected to be an AMD GPU from the 2005-2006 range.

people can talk all they want about about display resolutions and specs.

the fact is that the PS4 will play games at NO HIGHER than 1/2 1080p native @ 30 FPS, and typically lower. it will be the first playstation to be able to play a blu-ray native, without upscaling. this was all admitted by and confirmed by sony.

you can play the denial game all you want, and put up links that talk about display resolutions and even mis-use the word native in the context i am speaking of.

you did not honestly believe these consoles could play HD resolutions without upscaling did you? they cant, their hardware cannot handle it. period. end of story. if you thought different, you were mistaken.
 
Crni Vuk said:
The trick in an Xbox vs Play Station war, is not to pick your side. The trick is, to know which one is the bigger evil.

Go on guys. This is pretty fun
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Well, you can always pick a side & still enjoy this. The side is called PC and always wins. ;)

But either way, I think there has been waaaay too much speculation so far on the architecture before we've seen the end product & the actual implementation.

Like the Kinect Visual DRM thing? Microsoft has thousands of patents it does not use.
If they're going to start using the Visual DRM thing, it won't be because "oh you have a friend in the room, pay us more". It'll be for more specific applications than that.
 
TheWesDude said:
Stan, those numbers are from what sony and microsoft released.

yes, those are the NATIVE resolution going into pre-processing.

what those numbers are based on has been bandied around on this forum even including where sony admitted that they cant play a blu-ray without upscaling.

you really are coming into this pretty late in the game if you did not know this already.

again, those articles talk about display resolution. not the native resolution. if they say they are native, then they are mis-using the word, or using it to mean something else.

when i say native, i am referring to the resolution being a HD resolution going into pre-processing, main processing, and to post processing, and not using the image scalar wherever it lies in the architecture.

neither the PS3 or the XBox360Elite can run a HD resolution through all 3(4) phases. their hardware will not allow it. their hardware cannot handle it. it is technologically impossible for them to run a native resolution.

the xbox is using a video card from 1998. the PS3 is using a video card from 1999.

the PS4 will be using a laptop video card based on an architecture from 2007.

the XboxOne will be using a worse video card. they have not announced the architecture, but it is expected to be an AMD GPU from the 2005-2006 range.

people can talk all they want about about display resolutions and specs.

the fact is that the PS4 will play games at NO HIGHER than 1/2 1080p native @ 30 FPS, and typically lower. it will be the first playstation to be able to play a blu-ray native, without upscaling. this was all admitted by and confirmed by sony.

you can play the denial game all you want, and put up links that talk about display resolutions and even mis-use the word native in the context i am speaking of.

you did not honestly believe these consoles could play HD resolutions without upscaling did you? they cant, their hardware cannot handle it. period. end of story. if you thought different, you were mistaken.
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No, you are right. I won't believe a site dedicated to technical dissection of games, what I know personally and the fact that emulators of previous generation consoles already show without a doubt that games ran at 480p. I'll believe a guy that says that current generation consoles run games at a resolution barely above the one used by the Genesis with no proof to back it up other than "believe me".

What you are saying is that the PS360 generate frames at 1080p, downscales them at a meager 480x270 and then upscales them at 1080p again. Except that they should look like this, then
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instead of this

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Or what about this?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/racketboy/514676830/sizes/o/

Downsampling and then upscaling makes you lose details and makes things blurry, there's no way around it. How come that WO:HD is so sharp and SF2:HD is so detailed?

By the way, the computer I had in 1994 already had SVGA (640x480, could go up to 800x600).

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TheWesDude said:
the xbox is using a video card from 1998. the PS3 is using a video card from 1999.
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You're either clueless or lying. Xbox 360's GPU is based on the Radeon X1800 series released in 2005-2006. PS3's is based on Nvidia G70 aka N47 released during the same period. See the relevant wikipedia articles for additional sources. Those are weak old chips, but a far cry from late 90s tech. Do you seriously believe 90s chips could run modern games? Nobody is disputing that consoles have always lagged behind PC tech, but at least check your facts before posting such rubbish.

And if by native resolution you mean internal resolution, you are almost certainly wrong.
 
SuAside said:
If they're going to start using the Visual DRM thing, it won't be because "oh you have a friend in the room, pay us more". It'll be for more specific applications than that.
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I would agree with you Sua, because thats reasonable. But I am so biased that I am far beyond that. Microsoft killed any fun I had with gaming because of Games for Windows Life. No game I purchased that used this service was running flawless for me. No game. Seriously. Either I could not connect to Gfwl, or it would crash, or not recognize my account or or or or. ALWAYS was there some issue which ONLY happen with this service not allowing me to play and ENJOY the games I bought which would have worked perfectly if this service wasn't there.

Gosh ... do I hate this service.

More useless rambling:
[spoiler:0b2de49f1c]Do I HATE ALL THIS stupid useless "register account here" services for singleplayer games. You need one for EA, Steam games, Blizzard games and sometimes you need even TWO(!) at the same time if they are on Steam and EA or what ever ... what happend to the days of gaming where I bought the damn CD. Thrown it on my PC, MAYBE downloaded a patch, and just played the god damn thing. Not spending 20 min or even more time with a service I NEVER EVER use anyway. Just because they want to shovel a DLC down my throat? Like as didnt stink in Dragonage already, 2 guys in your camp? Talking to them reveals "you need to buy this DLC to continu" ... oh boy. I am sooooooooooooo glad about Kickstarter. Wasteland 2? No DRM. No fucking accounts. Just the god damn game. [/spoiler:0b2de49f1c]
 
apparently they are going to require you to pay them a fee for un-downloading your game from the xbox and marking the disk as free again if you want to sell an xbox game
 
I don't understand all the technobabble, all I know is the XBox One looks shit. What the fuck, are these companies actually going backwards with their industrial designers. Don't they understand looks are everything nowadays. :roll:

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Sony will blow them out of the water if they do the complete opposite of Microsoft. Whatever that is... :look:
 
sea, vast majority of the technical specs including the native resolutions for the consoles were in threads on this very forum in previous discussions where people post links to statements and analysis.

so my sources? links on this forum that others have provided in previous threads. maybe read up on some previous discussions?
 
TheWesDude said:
sea, vast majority of the technical specs including the native resolutions for the consoles for the consoles were in threads on this very forum in previous discussions where people post links to statements and analysis.

so my sources? links on this forum that others have provided in previous threads. maybe read up on some previous discussions?
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So in short, you have no sources.

Why don't you try google? Should be easy proving you are right.
 
.Pixote. said:
I don't understand all the technobabble, all I know is the XBox One looks shit. What the fuck, are these companies actually going backwards with their industrial designers. Don't they understand looks are everything nowadays. :roll:

xbox_one_56091.jpg


Sony will blow them out of the water if they do the complete opposite of Microsoft. Whatever that is... :look:
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Meh, I actually like how it looks. And I love that we're moving back to the more square-ish designs of my youth. Things looked more awesome in the 80's and early 90's. Either way, it looks slick and won't stand out much on your tv furniture. That's something I like. I don't like flashy gimmicky stuff.
 
.Pixote. said:
I don't understand all the technobabble, all I know is the XBox One looks shit. What the fuck, are these companies actually going backwards with their industrial designers. Don't they understand looks are everything nowadays. :roll:

xbox_one_56091.jpg


Sony will blow them out of the water if they do the complete opposite of Microsoft. Whatever that is... :look:
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It's not like one of Microsoft's competitors got rich recycling/stealing oldskool design.

Oh wait... They did.

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I don't see what the hate is all about anyway. Xbricks were always ugly. Playstations were always ugly. Wee was always ugly.
Cable boxes, DVD players, home cinema bullshit etc tends to just as bad as the xbrick.

Yes, the new xbrick looks oldskool, but that's a recurring trend in design, ye know.

Anyway, stop bitching & just don't buy it? Vote with your wallet.
I've never owned a console & I'm not going to start now.
 
why dont they make an invisible Xbox.

Then we could call it Xboxnone.

Yeah, lame joke is lame.
 
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