First round of Fallout 4 Reviews

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Kilus, Nov 9, 2015.

  1. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Would have been interesting if the Vault had a GECK and you used that to build a REAL settlement.
     
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  2. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    I built a laser turret system out of old furniture :V

    Power armor animations = super mutants. At least the walking gait, as well as the size-increase when in the suit. That was a bit dissapointing, considering the too-cool-for-school-walk seen in the TV ad...

    I mean, the increased size (as well as the "window-view") were okay ideas, in the old games you become huge when in a power armor, but it seeems as if they just grabbed and redecorated super mutants :I
     
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  3. tekhedd

    tekhedd Hoarding ammo IS gameplay

    211
    Oct 28, 2008
    Hell, "multiple playthroughs being different people" is practically the definition of Fallout.

    I remember an article about a year after Fallout shipped bemoaning the lack of engaging games to play. The conclusion was something along the lines of "want to play the best new game of the year? Play Fallout again."

    Well, was true of F1. Sure there were a limited number of builds that would survive to the end, but there were a very large number of builds that were *fun to play in different ways* until they died horribly due to their shortcomings in one or more areas. :)
     
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  4. BALONEYPWNY

    BALONEYPWNY First time out of the vault

    4
    Jan 21, 2013
    (if this has been commented on already, please ignore)

    Been watching the Mrs play through Fallout 4 and couldn't help but notice all the cats around.

    Nice middle finger to us OG Fallout fans.
     
  5. Practicat

    Practicat Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    414
    Aug 25, 2014
    There is nothing wrong with there existing cats in the Commonwealth. House claims they're extinct, but what does he know of the state of the east coast?

    This is actually a good thing Bethesda has done in the game, despite it being a shoddy RPG and Fallout game with extremely limited choices and consequences outside of the main quest.
     
  6. FearMonkey

    FearMonkey Vault Senior Citizen

    Oct 12, 2011
    If Bethesda were capable of being clever, they could've had a hidden quest where if you follow one of them you'd see that they were actually synth cats that were reporting back to the Institute the comings and goings of people to figure out who to kidnap and when.

    But Bethesda are idiots, so they didn't.
     
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  7. AnchorsAweigh

    AnchorsAweigh First time out of the vault

    73
    Oct 7, 2012
    The inclusion of synth cats would have been a nice nod to Philip K. Dick, considering how synthetic animals play such a big part of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (which is something that wasn't carried over to the Bladerunner movie).

    I have no problem with having real cats in F4, though. I mean, what would House have known about the cat situation in Boston, in Europe or on Madagascar, anyway? Just because a character in a piece of fiction states something as a fact, doesn't mean it actually is a fact in the fictional setting.
     
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  8. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    I like having cats, I did encounter a few cats while playing which was...unique. I liked that addition even if House said that.
     
  9. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Not only mr. House, but a woman in FO2 also gives a quick explanation as to why cats don't exist anymore
    But sure, feral populations might have survived in pockets here and there
     
  10. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    To be honest I don't really give a shit about the cats. I wasn't even aware of them being extinct, maybe because I never chose the topic during conversation. I mean, with the Assaultrons, Third Strain of FEV and Mr handys with AI, I think there are more grave lore breaks in FO4.
     
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  11. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish Snug Rubber

    Sep 11, 2010
    The problem I have with the inclusion of cats is that it 'is' a middle finger at the lore.
    Nothing is gained by including them after so many games hammering in that they gone extinct.
    You can go "oh but House doesn't know 'everything'! We don't know if they are extinct all over!" and I'll just repeat myself: So what? Nothing is gained by adding them either. It was a pointless addition that served nothing. On top of all of the other fucking lore fuckups Bethesda has done, even going so far as to adding even 'more' FEV to the universe the inclusion of cats is a middle finger at the lore and the fans. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Either that or no one at Bethesda ever reads lore. Like the time they brought back the Enclave in massive numbers. Or the time they made power armor require training to use. Or the time Jet was a pre-war drug.

    Oh, wait...
     
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  12. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Meh. I still think the cats are a extremely trivial detail that I can barely care about, specially in light of the most grave trangressions.
     
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  13. Gnarles Bronson

    Gnarles Bronson regular mutant

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    Oct 30, 2011
    I just read this on the forbes review (here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/11/13/the-5-biggest-problems-with-fallout-4/ ) and found it a really entertaining comment for some reason.

    I’m all for turn-based combat, and I think you could make a compelling turn-based combat game out of the Fallout universe, with actual turns and squares to move across and a top-down camera and the rest.

    He does go on to mention that he knows that is the origin of the franchise, just the fact that he had to say he thought a turn based fallout game was some oddly viable notion is really comical to me I guess.
     
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  14. Gnarles Bronson

    Gnarles Bronson regular mutant

    373
    Oct 30, 2011
    I just read this on the forbes review (here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/11/13/the-5-biggest-problems-with-fallout-4/ ) and found it a really entertaining comment for some reason:

    I’m all for turn-based combat, and I think you could make a compelling turn-based combat game out of the Fallout universe, with actual turns and squares to move across and a top-down camera and the rest.

    He does go on to mention that he knows that is the origin of the franchise, just the fact that he had to say he thought a turn based fallout game was some oddly viable notion is really comical to me I guess.
     
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  15. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    I am also in the camp that cats (or horses for that matter) would be pretty trivial retcons to the Fallout universe.
    If they are rare I can live with that but I don't mind having them around.

    My biggest problems are with the changes of gameplay, lore about factions, organizations, technologies, how devastating the war truly was and its after effects, and mutants such as Ghouls and Super Mutants.
     
  16. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish Snug Rubber

    Sep 11, 2010
    Yes, strange concept, a game in which you take turns. Someone better not show him a chess-set.
    I mean my god if he knows that's where Fallout originated then why don't he just go and play it to see how it 'does' work rather than treat it as an oddity.
     
  17. Chud

    Chud Still Mildly Glowing

    251
    Jun 8, 2015
    I mean, why two copies? Why not toss that 60 bucks to a nice charity or something? I don't have much money, but hot damn.
     
  18. Eternal

    Eternal Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    461
    Nov 4, 2008
    The super fast feral ghouls are weird but what exactly was wrong with including Ghouls in FO3/4? I seriously don't know that deep about the lore.

    That said, I thought it was a lame cop out to include "Super Mutants" on the east coast. 80% of them were basically just giant orcs that barely resemble the super mutants of the west coast beyond being big and green. It felt pandering but insulting at the same time "There were super mutants in FO1/2 we need super mutants in 3!" same thing with Enclave from FO2. They could have created something similar but different and named it something different. Rad beast, Nuclear Mongoloid, whatever. Give some of them like three arms or something weird. Enclave was a relatively small faction for how big their goal was, they were almost entirely destroyed in the west coast so why make em suddenly so big and powerful on the east coast 80 years later? The entire concept could have been replaced with a new faction with that goal. Call them "the Senate" or "DOD" or something kind of DC feeling. *shrug*

    TBH I wasn't too happy with Obsidian keeping around the Jackals in New Vegas 140 years after they formed either so it ain't all peaches and cream.

    Anyways it looks like FO4 has basically settled at
    86 - PC (5.1 user)
    87 - PS4 (6.1 user)
    88 - XB1 (5.6 user)
    78 - Steam

    Too bad, I was REALLY hoping FO4 would drop down to like 83 on metacritic just to make it lower than NV. I wouldn't have expected it any lower but I just wanted 83.
     
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  19. TheChosen1

    TheChosen1 Moving Target

    Nov 8, 2012
    Oh man, I fucking love the character creator though.

     
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  20. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Resident Schizo Poster

    Jun 15, 2015
    Visual storytelling! :V