Your? Two party system? I am not an american. I have German citizen ship!
Racism
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IT JUST SAYS THE FRONT I DIDNT KNOW IT MEANT THE WESTERN FRONT
In seriousness though I thought you were an American liberal. You’re still leftist, but foreign. Huh.
Note that I still don’t love you any less.
HydroFlame
The Vanishing Act
Am I missing something? I can only see two posts made my Arnust in this thread, one was being sarcastic toward Graves and the other was asking if Jews were white. Should I be looking in another thread? Am legit confused.
It's funny how people think because I'm not a Trumper, I MUST be a liberal. I guess I would fall into that category, honestly. But like I said, I go with what I think is best. I even voted for a couple of Republicans this past primary.
It's funny how people think because I'm not a Trumper, I MUST be a liberal. I guess I would fall into that category, honestly. But like I said, I go with what I think is best. I even voted for a couple of Republicans this past primary.
@Arnust in general can be self-righteous and very abrasive. I love the boy, but I think he’s a little full of himself. To say the least.
I have to say as well, while we're on the topic - the motivation for many leftists to be leftists is *outright self interest* (contrary to the image of left being collective vs right being "egotistical"), which is why it puzzles many leftists when many oppose them, as it should be in their interest as well - the most basic example is workers rights. Why do so many low wage workers continue to defend those who will reduce their rights as workers!?
Self interest is both obvious AND legitimate (also, if it's not self interest, then it gets trapped as "virtue signalling", doesn't it)
For me, it's simple - I have immigrants as part of my family, I have disability as part of my family, I have substance abuse - as well as both old and young women as part of my family. I have two sisters who are creative and expressive and want to make something of themselves. In order to do what little I can - for my own blood (not to sound dramatic), I must look out for whatever threatens the safety of my interests. That is what home-guard militias do. That's even the "alpha" thing to do - to look after those near you, regardless.
To reduce this kind of deep involvement as "virtue signalling", as in "just wants to impress da ladiez and get sum'" is incredibly insulting.
No - it is not mere "virtue signalling", and YES it IS selfish, but it is a collective issue. I can't rail against society and insist society safeguard *me and only me and mine and only mine*
If rights are threatened, that will cause pain to a lot of people *including* those of mine, then I inevitably find myself defending the whole lot. It's easyer that way, and more practical an approach.
Self interest is both obvious AND legitimate (also, if it's not self interest, then it gets trapped as "virtue signalling", doesn't it)
For me, it's simple - I have immigrants as part of my family, I have disability as part of my family, I have substance abuse - as well as both old and young women as part of my family. I have two sisters who are creative and expressive and want to make something of themselves. In order to do what little I can - for my own blood (not to sound dramatic), I must look out for whatever threatens the safety of my interests. That is what home-guard militias do. That's even the "alpha" thing to do - to look after those near you, regardless.
To reduce this kind of deep involvement as "virtue signalling", as in "just wants to impress da ladiez and get sum'" is incredibly insulting.
No - it is not mere "virtue signalling", and YES it IS selfish, but it is a collective issue. I can't rail against society and insist society safeguard *me and only me and mine and only mine*
If rights are threatened, that will cause pain to a lot of people *including* those of mine, then I inevitably find myself defending the whole lot. It's easyer that way, and more practical an approach.
It makes sense, @zegh8578 . My family contains a lot of people like that; the substance users and the disabled (in the form of mental illness) are both me. And it’s not just “gonna gets mines”, it’s about protecting those we love. There aren’t many people I’d die for; but the ones for whom I would, I’d do so gladly. It’s not selfishness; it’s simply what is right for the people closest to me.
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Yep, this thread has been acknowledged as a fine gayest thread already, nothing outrageous here. Look in Gun Control thread for more details:
HydroFlame
The Vanishing Act
I honestly thought you were referring to me. I sincerely apologize.
Me too man. Sorry. Was just standing up for people who weren’t even the target lmao
HydroFlame
The Vanishing Act
This is me. I genuinely like helping people if I can, but what little family I have left, especially my children, have and will ALWAYS come first to me. My kids are my true loves, and I'll be damned if I sit back and don't speak up when I think something is going to negatively impact them. Hell, even my in-law family, that I will no longer be considered a part of in the next week, will always have a place in my heart.
I am probably the only leftist here who took his time reading and understanding Marx. In all honesty though, the word 'leftist' has become a completely meaningless term in the US. Kinda like racism.
In Germany, we have the MLPD (German: Marxistisch–Leninistische Partei Deutschlands, MLPD), the DKP The German Communist Party (German: Deutsche Kommunistische Partei, DKP) and we had real leftist terrorism with the RAF in the past.
What I see is that people often see Obama or even Hillary as 'leftistm' and progressives and to be honest, I do not know where they get this idea from, unless the limit of your education is Tucker Carlson and Bill O'reilly. Honesly, what makes democrats into leftists these days?
I think the fact that they’re not Republicans, and we Americans apparently love our idiotic 2 party system.
On the topic of jokes and venting your frustrations vs. harmful racism. I've always tried to show people that there's a difference between being racially insensitive and racist. I don't think it's necessarily okay to be racially insensitive to just anyone, especially if the person on the receiving end doesn't really know you or is a complete stranger. Friends and whatnot are a bit different of course. What kind of friends don't pick on each other for everything? Where I'm from, you don't say anything stereotyping or insensitive things like that in public (which I think by itself is a decent rule to follow) because the people that do it so often are often the ones who will tell you in a semi-private scenario that they're racist.
Saying white people can't dance, love Starbucks, etc. is a stereotype/racially insensitive. Same with saying some other ethnicity loves certain foods. Unless you imply or state that their inclination to the thing or their desire to participate in that activity is inherently making them lesser or greater, it's racially insensitive and/or stereotyping but not racist.
Does drinking Starbucks make someone inferior or superior?
I will say, I do believe just about every racist usually believes in the stereotypes and likes to make racially insensitive remarks. That's probably why people believe the inverse is true. If everyone that you personally have met believes a stereotype about ethnicity also has a deep burning hate for them, you'll start to assume that anyone that states that stereotype (joke or not) is also a racist. But they aren't mutually inclusive of each other. You don't have to be racist to believe a certain ethnic group prefers a style of dance and you don't have to believe that a certain ethnic group prefers a style of dance to be racist.
One should just try to be polite to strangers who haven't done anything to them, in my opinion.
Saying white people can't dance, love Starbucks, etc. is a stereotype/racially insensitive. Same with saying some other ethnicity loves certain foods. Unless you imply or state that their inclination to the thing or their desire to participate in that activity is inherently making them lesser or greater, it's racially insensitive and/or stereotyping but not racist.
Does drinking Starbucks make someone inferior or superior?
I will say, I do believe just about every racist usually believes in the stereotypes and likes to make racially insensitive remarks. That's probably why people believe the inverse is true. If everyone that you personally have met believes a stereotype about ethnicity also has a deep burning hate for them, you'll start to assume that anyone that states that stereotype (joke or not) is also a racist. But they aren't mutually inclusive of each other. You don't have to be racist to believe a certain ethnic group prefers a style of dance and you don't have to believe that a certain ethnic group prefers a style of dance to be racist.
One should just try to be polite to strangers who haven't done anything to them, in my opinion.
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Well fuck you too
I will admit though, I'm pretty aware of that if only because I tend to respond like that to an attitude of "eheh well I'm garbage but at least I'm upfront about it izz a harsh world kiddo, stop dreamin and stop asking for things to work like they're supposed to and in fact once did", like if smug pseudo irony is supposed to make it any more palatable. If you have essentially nothing to say and it's just comfy, armchair nihilism you're after, I'm not sure what's the point of any assertions coming from there, besides of course waving around how much you don't care on the face of people who do for internet ego points.
Really, I'm a cuddly bunny most of the time.
This is why I find racism and policies based on prejudice and fear mongering dangerous though, and it explains in detail why it's an issue when it's making it's way in to the public mindset and becoming a sort of 'mainstream'.
It simply leads to a situation where some poeple are seriously demanding a nearly 2000 mile border wall across the United States which will make the situation only worse. It's what lead to situations we see with Brexit, where a seemingly easy thing, just makes everything more of a mess. Populism at it's finest. That does NOT(!) mean the issues surounding illegal immigration, asylumseekers, criminal refugees etc. isn't real. But there is no easy solution to any of those issues.
It simply gives birth to extremly simple (suposedly) obvious solutions that could as well come from a discussion at a bar table. Illegal immigrants?! Someone should build that wall! And make Mexico pay for it. Asylumseekers in Europe! We should stop rescuing them in the mediterranean so they won't come anymore! Our health care is in need of money? Let us get out of the EU!
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Hey for a moment of solace there's this gem:
Florida Man strikes again.
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Confirmed retard.
He's not retarded, he just thinks by stepping in line hard enough he won't be among those eaten when the revolution inevitably turns on itself.
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Goddamnit Hass, you blew it now amd I'll have to think of a new plan!