RangerBoo Tortures Herself Playing The Frontier

Well, shit, why I am not surprised?

P.S. RangerBoo, I don't know if anyone has mentioned it before, but may I have suggestion for your game list, the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series beginning from Shadow of Chernobyl, it is not necessarily shitty but janky as hell.

 

I'd argue that you're giving 3's Enclave a bit too much credit here. Eden wanted to wipe out all life, but Autumn and the rest wanted.... to take over? This is bad because... they shoot people when they feel like it...? They're evil still, I guess. Idk I think a terminal somewhere might have said Autumn needed the labor force.

Bethesda's Enclave is by far the least fleshed out of all the antagonist factions. It's to the point where I don't think even they had a good idea of what they were doing. And by "they", I mean the devs. Much like the Institute years later.

 

Enclave Remnants are still the best version of the Enclave.

 

I think that's silly.

Mind you, it's also doubly bizarre because you're arguing that against my point that the factions shouldn't be taken as themselves not analogs for RL.

 

I always thought the Legion should have had a decent majority of Native American Legionaries considering so many of the four corners tribes are descended from reservation survivors intermingling with others. If I were an artist and drawing the Legion, I'd portray them as mixed race Native/White or Native/Latino. I think that would add interesting dimensions to them too rather than being an army of fascistic white people. Although equally I think the NCR from Fallout 2 onwards should have played up the Hindu influence that Shady Sands had going on. What happened to Dharma and the middle eastern musical tones of the Hub?

I always liked the idea that in Fallout the amount of people who are racially indigenous actually increased in percentage of the population compared to our own world. Just because the Reservations were sources of survivors in untouched rural areas.

 

You're slightly contradictory in this. Satire is kind of meant to be something that you draw real life messaging from, that's the point. Fallout was a condemnation of the Cold War zeitgeist it was parodying and the arms race paranoia it was playing for horror. The basic premise of the series itself is a dire warning about non-renewable energy. You can't draw real life as the comparative source of the joke and make a statement in doing so then go "haha it's just a joke" when by its nature, it is saying something.

As an example, I played MGS as a teenager and it actually roped me into learning about nuclear weapons and the post-cold war treatment of them. It provided basic knowledge to which I then ended up reading about with MGS as my base and forming my own opinions. I doubt I would have even bothered to make opinions on nuclear weapons had it not been for the messaging of MGS.

That's for satire and dystopian fiction though. That doesn't apply to people comparing real life situations to stuff like Harry Potter as you say.

 

And then Game of Thrones comes along which is the war of the roses with dragons and shit ...

 

My opinion is that fiction inherently says SOMETHING even if it's dirt stupid. This isn't something bad about it. It's just a lot of writing that says something is written shittily and people have become gunshy about it as a result. They're so terrified of being lectured that they don't actually want to engage with material that might have opinions told well as part of the narrative.

Caesar's Legion is a pretty good rebuttal to the idea of valorizing the past and the ideas of resurrecting a kind of mythical Golden Age when men were men and women were property. In a way they actually are a good in-universe rebuttal for the Brotherhood of Steel and even House and the NCR as they show looking backward instead of forward is horrifying.

All of the factions but, potentially, the Courier are driven by "Old World Blues." The NCR is the least horrifying because it's trying to rebuild an idealized democratic USA.

House is trying to rebuild the ACTUAL USA of Fallout, which was a shitty oligarchy.

Caesar is ironically rebuilding an idealized and completely incorrect ancient Rome, divorced of all the actual civilization that Arcade Gannon points out existed as having.

 

You missed the bobblehead snek


Whole thing was really trippy. Sssstupid lisssp, coomers, junkies and other weirdos. And it wasn't FUNNY at all.

 

I wanna argue with you about the Legion but to be honest I do that with everyone and I’m DTing hard these days, so I’m going to tell you that I disagree and then not elaborate.

 

The Legion is an excellent idea ruined by being underveloped. It was the part in New Vegas that turned me off the most. The presentation, the writing it all just didn't felt very well done. The fact that the game engine was so ridiculous and dated didn't help much either.
At the end of the day it's just a typical slaver army "sold" as something intelligent. But that wasn't the intention. If this is how the game actually presented them I think it would have been great. But they tried to hard to make the Legion into something "philosphical" or some shit. Hell what really makes me angry here is that they did a much better Job with the Khans for example where it actually felt natural.

 

Fuck yall

 

GO TEAM RIKKURIKKU

 

Speaking of Legion, if we’re doing memes I’m gonna share one of mine and @RangerBoo ’s favorites.

 

The real joke is that both answers are stupid. The one above is just the academic version of it.