SuAside said:Anyway, stop bitching & just don't buy it? Vote with your wallet. I've never owned a console & I'm not going to start now.
I have no intention of buying a Xbox or Playstation, I was just stirring the pot


SuAside said:Anyway, stop bitching & just don't buy it? Vote with your wallet. I've never owned a console & I'm not going to start now.
I don't mind how it looks (better than the PS2) and appreciate the more rectangular profile, it just fits places better.aenemic said:Meh, I actually like how it looks. And I love that we're moving back to the more square-ish designs of my youth. Things looked more awesome in the 80's and early 90's. Either way, it looks slick and won't stand out much on your tv furniture. That's something I like. I don't like flashy gimmicky stuff.
Jobs was a great CEO, there's no denying that. The man had an eye and a brain for business but so did Bill Gates, who doesn't get enough credit for his success. That said, this is going off on a weird tangent...Walpknut said:I always get annoyed when people seem to think Steve Jobs was a multifacet genius that programed and designed everything apple did by himself. I guess it doesn't help that the man liked to act like he was.
SnapSlav said:No more backwards compatibility like it used to have?
More DRM than the last generation?
Walpknut said:They should just monetize the shit out of the Used games market. Some big line stores like to bully developers but if they just go ahead and actually offer things for people that buy new copiesand at the same time puts them at the monetary hands of people who buy used games they would do just fine. Altho Microoft already charges for being able to play online and download indie games and shit, they are already charging extra to everyone, used games buyer or not to actually be able to play most of their games to their fullest. I got so pissed off because I didn't know that, and I spent 2 weeks practicing in Persona 4 Arena to play online matches, only for the stupid console to tell me that I needed to pay a fee to play online despite the fact that I bought the game new, I even had to import it because I couldn't find it in Colombia for shit's sake.
Well let's just be clear about the pitfalls OF the Cell Processor (before I get to your actual question)... It was a BRILLIANT technological feat, but it was like choosing Imperial system over Metric. It wasn't bad, it was just doomed to failure because success necessitated that everyone ELSE adopt it, too. It was a nice attempt, but it was presumptuous and overambitious.Stanislao Moulinsky said:Do you want Sony to put a Cell processor in every PS4 and drive the price up of 50 bucks? It sucks, but it had to be expected. :\
I just don't see the "more DRM" trend EVER decreasing, regardless of who's involved. Sure, Sony's levels of DRM weren't maniacal in PS3 exclusives... but they were there. Sony didn't invent nor did it own the concept of digital downloads, but it had a digital games market (which always surprises me when I hear 360 fanboys parade that they get "Games on Demand" however many months later on XBLA.... because Digital Download goes live THE SAME DAY as the retail release, on PSN <_< ) and digital downloads have always been a DRM I've had a love-hate relationship with. I do love the convenience of owning a title, digitally (not to mention the longevity they add to any disc reader), but I hate that once the platform expires or falls out of favor... so does your ability to play the game you OWN. You bought it, it's yours, yet you can't play it anymore. Well, tough luck! (I have the same dilemma about Steam. Lovely service, but it's still a form of DRM that I despise it for.)Stanislao Moulinsky said:We don't know if Sony will pull the same stunt MS did, and there's a tiny sliver of hope that the backlash will make MS reconsider too (not that I care, the XB1 has never been on my radar).
The degree of situational irony in that is just staggering. All I can say it... Welcome to my world. Shit happens where someone comes along and acts all incredulous about something that I knew about for goddamn ages.... all... the... time... -_- Rarely ever has to do with Steve Jobs, I mean, the topics I typically run into are irrelevant to this conversation. But the sentiment is ALL too familiar to me.Walpknut said:I just get annoyed when ...
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You wouldn't believe the amount of times I have had that conversation.
SnapSlav said:As for your actual question... Who says I need the PS4 to be backwards compatible with PS3 titles?
What made the PS3 so amazing (initially) was that ALL that history of PS games could be played on it, as well. As many have argued, the simple availability of EVERY PC game ever coded being playable on any PC, as long as you download the appropriate emulator, is a major boon for PC gaming, and thus why the PS3 was so great for a time. Hell, that was what made the PS2 so popular during its generation.
Sure, Sony's levels of DRM weren't maniacal in PS3 exclusives... but they were there.
Perfect example. No, that's not what I was saying. I was saying that backwards compatibility was vanishing in ALL of the consoles, both current and next generation. I explained my feelings regarding this, already. Quote: "But ultimately, that blip of a whine of mine wasn't just directed at the PS4, but rather ALL consoles that have forsaken backwards compatibility. The 360 [...]. The PS3 [...]."Stanislao Moulinsky said:Didn't you say you were bummed that next gen console woulnd't have backwards compatibility?
Only yes, it could. The PS3 was, originally, 100% backwards compatible with PSX and PS2 titles. All of them. Also I already addressed that later models removed these features, and that it was because of costs. You're not bringing up a point with me, because I already made that point, myself. That's really irritating.Stanislao Moulinsky said:Well, it's not like the PS3 could actually play ALL PS2 games (and even among the compatible ones there were issues). And even then it could play most of them because it had the PS2 CPU included, which was later cut because it was too costly, which is the same reason it won't be available on the PS4.
Again, I ALREADY said what; just read what I goddamned wrote already. IMMEDIATELY after the end of the quote you pulled from me, I went on to say this:Stanislao Moulinsky said:Like what? O_o Honest question. Are you talking of Online Passes? Or digital download games?
I feel you, I have the same conversation frequently.Walpknut said:"Yes I can, because he didn't design the damn things..."
You wouldn't believe the amount of times I have had that conversation.
I think what he was getting at was that there were PS2 titles that the PS3 had issues with or couldn't play just as there were PSX titles the PS2 had issues playing. They were far and few between and unintentional but they did exist. It's an anal point and it was infinitely better than the selective backward compatibility of the 360 which only chose to play "Greatest Hits" games.SnapSlav said:Only yes, it could. The PS3 was, originally, 100% backwards compatible with PSX and PS2 titles. All of them.
You seem to have difficulty reading what I'm saying. Stop taking what I'm saying in bite-sized single sentences.
SnapSlav said:Perfect example. No, that's not what I was saying. I was saying that backwards compatibility was vanishing in ALL of the consoles, both current and next generation. I explained my feelings regarding this, already. Quote: "But ultimately, that blip of a whine of mine wasn't just directed at the PS4, but rather ALL consoles that have forsaken backwards compatibility. The 360 [...]. The PS3 [...]."Stanislao Moulinsky said:Didn't you say you were bummed that next gen console woulnd't have backwards compatibility?
Only yes, it could. The PS3 was, originally, 100% backwards compatible with PSX and PS2 titles. All of them.
Again, I ALREADY said what; just read what I goddamned wrote already. IMMEDIATELY after the end of the quote you pulled from me, I went on to say this:
"Sony didn't invent nor did it own the concept of digital downloads, but it had a digital games market [...] and digital downloads have always been a DRM I've had a love-hate relationship with. [...] I hate that once the platform expires or falls out of favor... so does your ability to play the game you OWN. You bought it, it's yours, yet you can't play it anymore. Well, tough luck!"
They took down their own servers, and suddenly for most PS3 owners, the console felt useless because of all the content that was locked from them.
These are why I'm so despondent to all this DRM bullshit; because the INDUSTRY is continuing to perpetuate this horrible standard, but the industry providing ample examples for how terrible it is in the very first place...
Exactly, "it" has no such emphasis in the English language as I think you were providing. "It" does not denote a particular thing, "it" will only refer to whatever the subject has been stated or implied to be. Because I referred to multiple consoles and several generations of said consoles, "it" was a continuation of that same topic, not any deviation of it.Stanislao Moulinsky said:This was what you wrote (emphasis mine):
"No more backwards compatibility like IT used to have"
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Maybe my english is failing me but are you telling me it wasn't easy to misinterpret?
Garlic expressed this point better than you did, and in that regard, I'll concede. There were hang-ups, BUT these were not deliberate. For all intents and purposes, the system was DESIGNED to be 100% backwards compatible; it was simply the reality of flaws that it wasn't. The 360, by contrast, actively avoided the feature. If it was to be a last-generation title played on this generation's system, it was going to be part of a (very meager) list or, more likely, be a digital download. Pop in the disc you already own and play away? HELL NAH!!!!Stanislao Moulinsky said:Except no, it couldn't. There are some games that don't work and others that have issues of some kind.
I don't even know HOW you're managing to compare the 2, because they're NOTHING alike. Sega has been out of the hardware market for decades, yet I can still play Sonic 3 & Knuckles on my Nomad whenever I want to. There's nothing stopping me from firing up my old, physical systems and playing them, besides natural wear and tear. They're not DESIGNED to be useless once the craze for them dies down. By direct contrast, once Steam is gone, EVERYTHING you bought on Steam is gone with it. It won't matter if you have your PC in pristine condition, 10 years down the road, able to still be booted up despite the fact that it will be woefully underpowered compared to what's available, then. You won't be able to access Steam now that it's gone. You'll still have your physical system, and that won't have any bearing on your ability to play it. That's DRM.Stanislao Moulinsky said:That's not really DRM, though. Unless you count every catrdige based system as such.
SnapSlav said:Exactly, "it" has no such emphasis in the English language as I think you were providing. "It" does not denote a particular thing, "it" will only refer to whatever the subject has been stated or implied to be. Because I referred to multiple consoles and several generations of said consoles, "it" was a continuation of that same topic, not any deviation of it.Stanislao Moulinsky said:This was what you wrote (emphasis mine):
"No more backwards compatibility like IT used to have"
[...]
Maybe my english is failing me but are you telling me it wasn't easy to misinterpret?
I don't even know HOW you're managing to compare the 2, because they're NOTHING alike. Sega has been out of the hardware market for decades, yet I can still play Sonic 3 & Knuckles on my Nomad whenever I want to. There's nothing stopping me from firing up my old, physical systems and playing them, besides natural wear and tear. They're not DESIGNED to be useless once the craze for them dies down. By direct contrast, once Steam is gone, EVERYTHING you bought on Steam is gone with it. It won't matter if you have your PC in pristine condition, 10 years down the road, able to still be booted up despite the fact that it will be woefully underpowered compared to what's available, then. You won't be able to access Steam now that it's gone. You'll still have your physical system, and that won't have any bearing on your ability to play it. That's DRM.
Sony's levels of DRM weren't maniacal in PS3 exclusives... but they were there. Sony didn't invent nor did it own the concept of digital downloads, but it had a digital games market [...] and digital downloads have always been a DRM I've had a love-hate relationship with
Slang, I'm guessing. Just like it's not necessarily grammatically correct to refer to someONE as "they" if you're avoiding specifying their gender, but as far as informal English goes, "they" is often used as a gender neutral term. Yet it's technically a plural term being used to describe an individual. "It" is used in ways that's not proper, in slang, such as referring to an intangible concept that is neither singular nor plural. In this case, I was referring to an nonspecific idea of this generation's console. Similar in style to the phrase "They don't make it like they use to" which is a derivative of "They don't make them like they used to". Again, a matter of slang.Stanislao Moulinsky said:"It" is singular, not plural. You should have wrote "No more backwards compatibility like they used to have" or am I missing something?
I've been away from the system long enough that I don't even remember all the details. But I know there were games I downloaded that I have since been unable to download again, and not for lack of "subscription" or anything along those lines. Just pure "Oh, you still wanna play that? Well.............. sorry!"Stanislao Moulinsky said:DD games on the PS3 don't need online checks, can be played offline* and from what I know there are even roundabout ways to make yourself a backup. So...how's that DRM?
*[spoiler:99c28e6150]Ok, ok, actually there's four or five DD games that can't be played offline/need an online check. [/spoiler:99c28e6150]
SnapSlav said:I've been away from the system long enough that I don't even remember all the details. But I know there were games I downloaded that I have since been unable to download again, and not for lack of "subscription" or anything along those lines. Just pure "Oh, you still wanna play that? Well.............. sorry!"